mystery box of silver 10. (done)

[TheGoldenParadox]

if it was loyal mod and you did get it it'd confirm you as town if plus was town

but it's not, and you didn't

[PlusJOYED]

im pretty sure this means shelly is town.

[Tayl0r Swift]

if she's scum, she knows there's either a loyal or a disloyal modifier. since she must have received something, and she knows that plusjoyed isn't aligned with her, she would say she didn't receive anything

there's a flaw
if its scum!me + loyal mod I would not have gotten anything

yeah but as scum you know to claim the opposite of the truth, probably. at worst its 50-50

[TheGoldenParadox]

23 scum means minimum 12 town.
Assume all 3P claims are 3P that means 18 total.
23 at start means 4 scum + SK or 5 scum and town Vig
Or
We’re looking at 3P go round and round alignment go round

5 scum and a vig is my bet. It fits with Gamma's rants perfectly. 4 scum with 3 players (in two sets) who will never vote each other is two small.

i think trusting or giving any weight to gamma's rants is a terrible idea here why would he have any incentive to tell the truth

[PlusJOYED]

they didn't know it was disloyal

[Titus]

im pretty sure this means shelly is town.

My bet is she is too based on the situation.

[MathBlade]

23 scum means minimum 12 town.
Assume all 3P claims are 3P that means 18 total.
23 at start means 4 scum + SK or 5 scum and town Vig
Or
We’re looking at 3P go round and round alignment go round

5 scum and a vig is my bet. It fits with Gamma's rants perfectly. 4 scum with 3 players (in two sets) who will never vote each other is two small.

That’s one theory. I am toying with 3P merry go round and no group scum.

It kinda makes more sense with what Almost50 said your win con was.

If I am right your win con is (paraphrase) “eliminate all threats to town and have one town player standing or be the last three standing” (hunch) this lends itself more to a merry go round than it does group scum. Because each of the 3P groups would consider your 3P group a threat to town.

[TheGoldenParadox]

they didn't know it was disloyal

scum shelly would have deduced it was disloyal upon getting the invention

[MathBlade]

they didn't know it was disloyal

No they didn’t.

Imagine if Shelly is scum.

What is easier to guess?
“I got nothing”
Or
“I got fruit”

No one would expect the cop check.

It’s inherently easier to guess “got nothing” and hope it works out

[Titus]

23 scum means minimum 12 town.
Assume all 3P claims are 3P that means 18 total.
23 at start means 4 scum + SK or 5 scum and town Vig
Or
We’re looking at 3P go round and round alignment go round

5 scum and a vig is my bet. It fits with Gamma's rants perfectly. 4 scum with 3 players (in two sets) who will never vote each other is two small.

i think trusting or giving any weight to gamma's rants is a terrible idea here why would he have any incentive to tell the truth

Ok. Don't trust his rants.

Either 4 plus SK or 5 plus vig.
Vigs are usually negative utility and will shoot the town or 3p most likely. SK has no incentive to shoot 3p and is even more imbalanced for scum.

[MathBlade]

im pretty sure this means shelly is town.

My bet is she is too based on the situation.

Which means we have two town with pants down and nothing to show for it.

[MathBlade]

23 scum means minimum 12 town.
Assume all 3P claims are 3P that means 18 total.
23 at start means 4 scum + SK or 5 scum and town Vig
Or
We’re looking at 3P go round and round alignment go round

5 scum and a vig is my bet. It fits with Gamma's rants perfectly. 4 scum with 3 players (in two sets) who will never vote each other is two small.

i think trusting or giving any weight to gamma's rants is a terrible idea here why would he have any incentive to tell the truth

Ok. Don't trust his rants.

Either 4 plus SK or 5 plus vig.
Vigs are usually negative utility and will shoot the town or 3p most likely. SK has no incentive to shoot 3p and is even more imbalanced for scum.

Agreed. I think 3P merry go round is much more logical. 4-5 scum vs 6 “masons” seems wrong. (Masons in quotes because not actual masons)

[Titus]

im pretty sure this means shelly is town.

My bet is she is too based on the situation.

Which means we have two town with pants down and nothing to show for it.

Hardly, the resistance to townfirm shelly is a tell in a way. No one highlighted these problems before. Now that the results are in, there's a flaw with the process. That's telling.

[Titus]

23 scum means minimum 12 town.
Assume all 3P claims are 3P that means 18 total.
23 at start means 4 scum + SK or 5 scum and town Vig
Or
We’re looking at 3P go round and round alignment go round

5 scum and a vig is my bet. It fits with Gamma's rants perfectly. 4 scum with 3 players (in two sets) who will never vote each other is two small.

i think trusting or giving any weight to gamma's rants is a terrible idea here why would he have any incentive to tell the truth

Ok. Don't trust his rants.

Either 4 plus SK or 5 plus vig.
Vigs are usually negative utility and will shoot the town or 3p most likely. SK has no incentive to shoot 3p and is even more imbalanced for scum.

Agreed. I think 3P merry go round is much more logical. 4-5 scum vs 6 “masons” seems wrong. (Masons in quotes because not actual masons)

So you're claiming the masons are actually groupscum?

[MathBlade]

im pretty sure this means shelly is town.

My bet is she is too based on the situation.

Which means we have two town with pants down and nothing to show for it.

Hardly, the resistance to townfirm shelly is a tell in a way. No one highlighted these problems before. Now that the results are in, there's a flaw with the process. That's telling.

Not really. I was silent even though I saw a flaw because I didn’t want to ruin the reaction in case it caught Shelly. Making lemonade out of lemons.

[PlusJOYED]

tbh i misunderstood my role until it was too late
i thought i would know if the check would go through or not until it already happened

[MathBlade]

23 scum means minimum 12 town.
Assume all 3P claims are 3P that means 18 total.
23 at start means 4 scum + SK or 5 scum and town Vig
Or
We’re looking at 3P go round and round alignment go round

5 scum and a vig is my bet. It fits with Gamma's rants perfectly. 4 scum with 3 players (in two sets) who will never vote each other is two small.

i think trusting or giving any weight to gamma's rants is a terrible idea here why would he have any incentive to tell the truth

Ok. Don't trust his rants.

Either 4 plus SK or 5 plus vig.
Vigs are usually negative utility and will shoot the town or 3p most likely. SK has no incentive to shoot 3p and is even more imbalanced for scum.

Agreed. I think 3P merry go round is much more logical. 4-5 scum vs 6 “masons” seems wrong. (Masons in quotes because not actual masons)

So you're claiming the masons are actually groupscum?

No, I think that there’s a viable theory no group scum. That it’s just a bunch of 3Ps and town.

[MathBlade]

I am not confident enough to say that for certain. It might be just 4-5 scum v 6 “masons” but it seems wrong to me.

[Titus]

@Math, If you don't think an Army is groupscum after a member literally confessed to being groupscum then I don't know what to say.

[Something_Smart]

if town would make you more likely to say you'd check your role pm imho

Why? That phrasing seems like unnecessary LAMIST. We are discussing the town wincon; this is something objective. We're not discussing my alignment, there's no reason for me to make it subjective when the town wincon is objective and available to all.

I will grant that a random person is probably slightly more likely to phrase it this way as scum than they would be as town. But I am not a random person, and something being slightly scum indicative is not the same as it being a scumslip.

[Nero Cain]

meanwhile, while you all argue Nero is vote parked on scum.

[April Ludgate]

my full role is odd night disloyal alignment cop inventor.
on odd nights i can target someone. if they aren't town they become a cop
this makes a lot of sense with the "town but not town" mason. I wish they would have revealed this day 1 but whatevs.

This role and 6 masons, wtf, no.

Also, if Shelly is scum here who received the cop invention, they would know not to say it.

You and I should target the same player.

[Titus]

@@SS, Who is scum? I don't care about this slip argument.

[Titus]

meanwhile, while you all argue Nero is vote parked on scum.

Why is Taylor scum? I want her to be scum but my scumhunting is leading me a different way.

[MathBlade]

@Math, If you don't think an Army is groupscum after a member literally confessed to being groupscum then I don't know what to say.

I mean. You’re taking gamma at his word after he outed “not town” aligned.

Pretty sure that’s spelled sucker. It may be truthful but could be manipulation when he knows he is gonna die. It can’t be taken at face value.