Death Curse

[Nero Cain]

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Votecount 1.1

[4] PookyTheMagicalBear:

Isis, Fidget, Zdenek, Hopkirk

[1] Tayl0r Swift:

shellyc

[1] shellyc:

VaultDweller

[1] Bell:

Lapsa

[13] Not Voting:

PookyTheMagicalBear, Tayl0r Swift, Gloria Cleary, Toogeloo, Theta Alpine, Bell, MURDERCAT, UNOwen, MUSHSHAGANA, Flea The Magician, Adorable, Lady Lambdadelta, Noraa

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to curse someone with the scroll. If there is no majority by the deadline, the mafia will choose who to curse.

The cursing deadline is in (expired on 2020-10-28 03:35:35).

[Isis]

It’s somewhat an annoying curse
When one is forced to speak in verse
Though this from Hectic I’d expect
It harms my power to detect
Yet this trifling impediment
Does not mean I’ll be negligent
The game begins with a full day
Easy to hide out of the way
I could just lurk and survive this
But I’d prefer to be LAMIST
‘I’m town’ I’ll cry from my rooftop
Not kill nor vote shall make me stop
Now all, convinced I’m innocent
And may I add, magnificent
Shall back me up as I scumhunt
Leading the town right from the front
The scroll will pass from hand to hand
And on the scum shall surely land
The mafia we won’t acquit
We’ll kill them all, it will be lit

frankly, this site does not deserve hopkirk

[Isis]

Hey Isis you were the reviewer
How should we best make scum fewer
You must have thoughts on the setup
I'd recommend you cough 'em up

Uh, if I wanna do mech thoughts

every time you hit scum on the final pass you deny the scum an entire NK
which seems pretty dope

so maybe like
decide on 2 consensus scums, vote the less scummy of the 2 consensus scums

The less-scummy-consensus-scum passes the scroll to town. If they didn't pass the scroll to town, I'm plenty happy enough, my plan is fine
The town that got passed to always passes to that person we decided was heavy consensus scum. They have a strong chance of flipping scum and missing the NK

[Flea The Magician]

VOTE: Bell
Too close to Leenes Bell for my liking. Stupid spikey haired teenager -.-;

Looking forward to the weirdness this brings out... >:)

[VaultDweller]

every time you hit scum on the final pass you deny the scum an entire NK

I do not understand the setup well enough to grasp this. Please elaborate.

[UNOwen]

Hello everyone
VOTE: Noraa

Mechanics talk is going over my head so far

[shellyc]

Uh, if I wanna do mech thoughts

every time you hit scum on the final pass you deny the scum an entire NK
which seems pretty dope

so maybe like
decide on 2 consensus scums, vote the less scummy of the 2 consensus scums

The less-scummy-consensus-scum passes the scroll to town. If they didn't pass the scroll to town, I'm plenty happy enough, my plan is fine
The town that got passed to always passes to that person we decided was heavy consensus scum. They have a strong chance of flipping scum and missing the NK

isnt this just a world that vengeful town vengekills scum or am i misunderstanding something

[Zdenek]

Does this look right in terms of stats
The answer could affect our strats

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D1
Kill 0 40%
Kill 1 54.5%
Kill 2 5.5%

If you mean probability of 86ing scum, then the probability of the first kill being scum is probably less than 25%, since I recall towns being worse than random guessing day one, but that probably isn't what you mean.

[VaultDweller]

every time you hit scum on the final pass you deny the scum an entire NK

I do not understand the setup well enough to grasp this. Please elaborate.

I understand it now. Ideally we would want to hit scum in position 3, since that player can't pass the scroll again. Position 1 is ok, since position 2 can in theory catch another scum in position 3 again (the ideal situation). Position 2 is the worst position for hitting scum, since we would only hit 1 scum, and that player would have a choice whom to pass the scroll to.

I.e. the possible scroll passing options are:
T > T > T (the worst)
T > T > S (pretty good, deny scum a "NK")
T > S > T (gives scum a "NK")
S > T > T (as bad as the above)
S > T > S (the best, but very difficult to achieve)

Is this correct?

[MURDERCAT]

VOTE: Isis

(Ego)

Will read later

[shellyc]

Vault that's right
initial thoughts

I think Zdenek's effort to find a strategy is rather townie with the proactivity, i think town are much more likely to read the setup tbh
hopkirk actively disagreeing with it is also town-ish
UNO ignoring the mechtalk makes my scumdar go off a bit with the passiveness towards setup optimal strategies

[shellyc]

im bad at mech so cant really weigh in on setup spec, but 58 looks decent, so we should aim for town being the second pass, and scum being the first target, so it's still fairly like regular scumhunting

[Theta Alpine]

Because I’m genius town.

if you're town dying means there is one less town member

as vaultdweller denoted in post 58 at least one town player will die every day

assuming that scum do not pass the scroll to another scum player

VOTE: bell
not only is there no scum night kill
there is no night phase and this was a prominent fact in signups

[MURDERCAT]

Ok I still haven't read but I have a question that I want answered by the time I do, should we change how we lim? Like if there is someone who people townlean but we know they have a strong scum game are we more likely to vote them in this setup? I've only played one game with LLD but we were scum together and at the end of the game I remember saying that I wanted to give her my win from the game so that she could earn 2 . If someone like that does end up being town then they can take care of the lim bait we normally would have voted. This is just something I was thinking about during signups.

[MURDERCAT]

Or shelly? I mean ideally we just yeet shelly asap

[Theta Alpine]

oh and here is something i just thought of
scum will probably save their shot to grant them victory at parity plus one

so we will most likely only get information on who scum wants dead based on who scum passes a scroll to
and their votes as well but less clear information from that
point being we have to find scum first

the good news is we have 3 day phases and 9 kills to do that
and due to how the game works we can win at close to parity as long as we know who scum is by then
having said that if we have not hit scum by day 4 we lose

[Theta Alpine]

oddly enough 3 day phases is also the quickest town could win
assuming scum does not shoot or pass to themselves

so perfect victories for both sides are a three day game

[Flea The Magician]

My question here is how do we handle scroll passing.
Once a scroll is given we've a 2 day deadline to work out who's next and we don't know who's hit until the 3 flip.

Assuming Scum just YOLO it and hand it out on whoever they deem [un]worthy, are we still wanting to use votes and a clean slate to work out who to hand it to next? Or are we using the votecount as a base and going from there?

[shellyc]

Or shelly? I mean ideally we just yeet shelly asap

No because I’m town and even if I hand it to scum they still get the nk

[shellyc]

Idrt scroll passing is all that confusing. Read isis oost

[shellyc]

*post

Basically we want to hit scum last as it denies scum an “NK”

[Flea The Magician]

I have, how would the consensus be established is what I meant.
It's all well and good having a handful of vocal players doing what vocal players do, the consensus could be easily lost under a vocal minorities persistent screeching.
Given the 2 day window to allow pass alongs that's a bit of time for reads to change based on bits of information, the scroll going to the first player shouldn't be a hard lock on the process at that point.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

All 3 of these look the same:

T > T > S (pretty good, deny scum a "NK")
T > S > T (gives scum a "NK")
S > T > T (as bad as the above)

however the difference is the scum do not get to eliminate someone we have lock-town'd correctly in the top example.

I don't think this should mean that we avoid hitting people we have down as say obv-scums earlier in the elim chain - we should still be going for max scum equity each shot.

[Noraa]

We still in RVS or no? I feel like we still are so I'm gonna VOTE: Shelly

1)bc im salty I got pocketed by scum!you in Roses
2)bc you always roll scum god knows why
3)bc you basically "started" the pooky wagon except ur votes not there

[Tayl0r Swift]

FIRST

VOTE: Tayl0r Swift


also in the event that we hit scum first, we should still do our darndest to hit scum on the second shot. i think its a bad play to hit town on purpose.