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[shellyc]

<3

accept your death
tbh as either alignment my WIM/1v1 duelling is my greatest strength

[Hectic]

Mhm, the classic WIFOM defence. Absolutely no one would question Plus dying here, given he was UTR by the end of yesterday. A Hectic/duppin team would absolutely kill Plus, given he's been repeating his thoughts of duppin/Hectic over and over again yesterday.

What can I doooooooooooo to make you see the light, +++++++++

[shellyc]

Mhm, the classic WIFOM defence. Absolutely no one would question Plus dying here, given he was UTR by the end of yesterday. A Hectic/duppin team would absolutely kill Plus, given he's been repeating his thoughts of duppin/Hectic over and over again yesterday.

which would directly point to you

this is basically white flag for you

[shellyc]

basically, once duppin flips red you're confscum

you cannot make a kill that would directly point back to you/duppin because thats meaning game over

[Hectic]

You can argue about WIFOM all you want, but most nightkills are just obvious for a reason and not frames. People don't actually care about night kill analysis enough to make WIFOM kills worth it, so you made the correct decision here.

Anyway, I don't think a long extended debate where we argue in circles about the nightkill is productive for Plus, so you should put your WIM to use in the Speakeasy instead. I heard they have some good Roast threads in there.

[shellyc]

I heard they have some good Roast threads in there.

thats enticing
goodbye mafia forums

[PlusJOYED]

meh i typed out a duppin vote but imma sleep on it for now

[Hectic]

yikes

Please talk about it before you decide?

[PlusJOYED]

team is either dave/shelly or hectic/duppin.
i need to see what dave does here

[duppin]

im still likely to go duppin today
to sleep i go

jesus at this point I really hope you aren't town because if you are then im inclined to say that you singlehandely lost this

WIFOM aside, why would I ever kill UNO? Both UNO and Hectic were siding with me, it makes no sense for me unless you think I'd go for style points to kill UNO over you if you are town.
Also keep in mind that yesterday I pointed out that I would never kill UNO in the night and I pointed out that shelly would never admit to that. The only reason I point this out again is because you need to realise that if shelly was indeed town then from her point of view I would definitely not kill UNO and I would kill you - yes it is possible I would go for a WIFOM kill if I was scum and whatnot - but you need to understand that if shelly is scum this is what should be the most logical and obvious point of view. That I would kill a player siding with her. However she refuses to acknowledge this and instead just said I would never kill hectic. That is not a townie mindset that is a scum being scared of accidently limiting themselves in terms of kills because scum are thinking more about the potential WIFOM and having to fight against it. There is no way a town shelly would not have realised that you Plus (if town) should be my only and viable kill.

Killing UNO would pretty much be against my win condition if I was scum especially since UNO sided with not only me but also hectic - the team that shelly is pushing which means that for that world to even make sense we killed off our ONLY supporter. Why the hell would we ever do that as scum? We are the active players trying to actually solve the game so if we were scum then I am fairly certain that we would have been able to convince UNO no matter who we killed (unless it was shelly obviously). It should also be a tell for you that the most active and game solving players in mylo were me, hectic and UNO. We were actively looking for associations rather and attempting to solve each other. shelly on the other hand came out with a garbage claim (sorry i meant godlike 1v1 and charismatic claim (?)) that all the active players thought were terrible - you even pointed it out yourself Plus, the claim was bad. Pretty much everything she said yesterday was refusted, she was illogcal, inconsistent and hypocritical.

The world she is pushing is either relying on a town refusing to revaluate (plus) or a town not being active (dave), so im not getting my hopes up for this game, but plus if you expect me and hectic you put in an effort to prove to you that you are town then you better put in an effort yourself and try to approach mylo with an open mind.

You still have not answered my questions from last night. I asked you to explain why you scumread me, you said you couldn't really remember but would iso dive me to find out but you still havne't done that (yet you still didn't mind voting on me in mylo though). You are not trying to engage us which leads me to believe you are not trying to solve us. If you are town then this is really bad and if you are scum then fair enough you can ignore my criticism

[shellyc]

WIFOM aside, why would I ever kill UNO? Both UNO and Hectic were siding with me, it makes no sense for me unless you think I'd go for style points to kill UNO over you if you are town.

this game is white flag for you and lost
if you killed UNO, plus votes you and gg
if you killed plus, UNO realises that its the best kill for you, gg

[shellyc]

shelly on the other hand came out with a garbage claim (sorry i meant godlike 1v1 and charismatic claim (?)) that all the active players thought were terrible - you even pointed it out yourself Plus, the claim was bad. Pretty much everything she said yesterday was refusted, she was illogcal, inconsistent and hypocritical.

UNO thought it was fine
dave thought it was fine
plus thought it was fine

all the scum are SRing my claim

[duppin]

you killed them because you feared uno's paranoia and my charisma

lol

[duppin]

WIFOM aside, why would I ever kill UNO? Both UNO and Hectic were siding with me, it makes no sense for me unless you think I'd go for style points to kill UNO over you if you are town.

this game is white flag for you and lost
if you killed UNO, plus votes you and gg

ah so you already know dave would vote on me, thanks for the slip

if you killed plus, UNO realises that its the best kill for you, gg

sure he does

[duppin]

shelly on the other hand came out with a garbage claim (sorry i meant godlike 1v1 and charismatic claim (?)) that all the active players thought were terrible - you even pointed it out yourself Plus, the claim was bad. Pretty much everything she said yesterday was refusted, she was illogcal, inconsistent and hypocritical.

UNO thought it was fine

no he did not, he thought it was a bad claim

dave thought it was fine

i have no idea what dave thought about it, he did a weird analysis

plus thought it was fine

not true even plus thought it was bad. He said it was so bad that he thought it was townie of you

[shellyc]

It should also be a tell for you that the most active and game solving players in mylo were me, hectic and UNO. We were actively looking for associations rather and attempting to solve each other.

in mylo my job was to convince town that my claim was true, and I succeeded!
you were fakesolving
from your pov the game was solved as me/dave or plus
this is a perspective slip

[shellyc]

well all the town arrived at the conclusion that shelly = town which is correct
so my claim was fine

and you just lost this game

[duppin]

It should also be a tell for you that the most active and game solving players in mylo were me, hectic and UNO. We were actively looking for associations rather and attempting to solve each other.

in mylo my job was to convince town that my claim was true, and I succeeded!

you didnt convince anyone but plus who was townreading you before your claim. UNO the now confirmed town did not believe your claim.

you were fakesolving
from your pov the game was solved as me/dave or plus
this is a perspective slip

you could maybe even push this angle if it wasnt for the fact that i was already trying to solve before your claim

[shellyc]

UNO the now confirmed town did not believe your claim.

lol??????

they did
cant quote because on mobile but they were clearly paranoid about you

[duppin]

well all the town arrived at the conclusion that shelly = town which is correct
so my claim was fine

the only confirmed town (uno) did not.
the only one who said he thought u were town was plus. dave made a weird ass analysis that ignored hectics claim

[duppin]

UNO the now confirmed town did not believe your claim.

lol??????

they did
cant quote because on mobile but they were clearly paranoid about you

no they did not... jesus christ lol

[shellyc]

duppin quote the post when you did your glorious Solving

[duppin]

uno was paranoid about me and hectic buddying him up but thought we were way more believable than you and he did not believe your claim. dont make up stuff, serves no purpose

[shellyc]

It remains possible that I have been completely fooled by the entire scum team deciding to townread me, in particular duppin's reasons for trusting me reminded me of Noraa and I really don't think my day 1 ISO was all that great considering most of it was spent tunnelling town. I don't understand why he wavered on his Hectic read but not on me when from his point of view Hectic has been backing him up all along and I have been the one to avoid committing, so if anything I should look like the opportunistic scum waiting to see which way the wind blows. It kind of looked like it was a reaction to Plus mentioning the duppin/Hectic team possibility. He certainly has had a suspiciously explain-y tone at times which I have put down to personality. Finally, the independent raising of the replace out theory by Hectic and duppin sticks in my mind, it could suggest that this was something scum talked about in pt.

found it

[duppin]

duppin quote the post when you did your glorious Solving

uh how about you just iso me. i brought up the fact that she never voted on you and actually gave you a slight tr for your play even though her play was dodgy, i pointed out how she dodged the plus wagon but then later retracted that as i realised she had voted on plus earlier etc