Smoke-Filled Antechamber [Endgame]

[petapan]

It feels somewhat like gamma keeps moving the goalposts with the ds read.

it did yeah, i only backed down when gamma did the "oh crap i misread him bad" thing

[fferyllt]

(t - > s)
diamond, cakez?, midway, gamma, bell, nahdia, bulge

cakez, diamond, bell, midway, nahdia, bulge, gamma

Gamma, diamond, PETA, Bulge, cakez, Nahdia, midway.

Explain cakez?

[Tammy]

It feels somewhat like gamma keeps moving the goalposts with the ds read.

it did yeah, i only backed down when gamma did the "oh crap i misread him bad" thing

does scum set up a treasure hunt for people to identify what gamma thinks is scummy about his play.

[Bell]

^ I remembered liking that. I had no idea what he was referring to.


@ff, people moved up. so he moved down.

[Tammy]

Apropos of nothing I figured out that the newbie game Knell-Bell played with scum-Tammy was one that I modded.

I forgot to tell you that! I searched after he mentioned it.

[Tammy]

Bulge now that I am thinking about it
he's being really active in a gamestate where as scum I feel like it would be very easy for bulge to get demotivated. Bulge's activity starting to spike now is probably way more town indicative then scum indicative.

Things like this are usually personality based. Is bulge personally the type to get demotivated or is he the type to rise to the challenge?

[fferyllt]

off the cuff

Bell has been off this game but I wonder if he would be under as much scrutiny if he were playing, say, on an anonymous alt. I did iso bell already, and I can't find a lot that points to scum. just not a lot that points to town i'm afraid. I feel like this elim will either happen or not happen eventually regardless of my stance so I'm not gonna focus on it as much as I thought I might

midwaybear. noisy. weirdly complacent about things I feel should be pinging him despite his appearance of being extremely engaged in the game.

sircakez probscum, molding his reads to whatever best suits the gamestate and general consensus on several counts.

petapan's motives are a mystery to me, but his push on me doesn't feel any kind of genuine. very much need to iso.

Gamma's catchup isn't doing anything to impress me at all and there's been a good solid handful of wtfposts. I'd wagon this.

Diamond is probably scum or detrimental townie at the very best.

I haven't been able to get a decent read on Nahdia from how I have been interacting with the thread so far.

Have any of these reads besides peta changed?

[SirCakez]

Wow on second reading VOTE: 3266 is just awful
Literally SRing everyone in the elim pool

[Tammy]

I don't really like doing readslists

Yes!

More people come join me in the no readslists brigade!

[petapan]

Wow on second reading VOTE: 3266 is just awful
Literally SRing everyone in the elim pool

that's what i've been saying

[SirCakez]

That was supposed to be a post tag not a vote tag

[Nahdia]

catching up

[Gamma Emerald]

nothing recent, why

because what you're describing is just DS being DS
I don't think its some scum master gambit to destroy the town block

I was figuring you’d say that.

By the way, what do you make of my reaction when I realized I’d misread DS’ posting?

[Nahdia]

im townreading peta, scumreading DS, Cakez is hard because i feel he's been really uncharitable and unfair in his read of me but ive tunneled townies with that feeling before.

bell im wary of bc our last game together he snowed me so hard that i ended up accidentally killing him in the process of trying to save him and then felt like a big dummy when he flipped scum. there was some stuff with how he interacted with alisae recently that just didnt feel right to me, like it wasnt the sort of thing town would bother doing. he says he externally believes all claims to bait scum into shooting them but in the same breath talks about how wary he is of alisae's status as a clear.

uuuuhhh who'd i miss. midwaybear is still townie. gamma i need to actually read.

[Gamma Emerald]

It feels somewhat like gamma keeps moving the goalposts with the ds read.

I was tunneled for a very long time, for reasons that were factually incorrect

[Gamma Emerald]

It feels somewhat like gamma keeps moving the goalposts with the ds read.

it did yeah, i only backed down when gamma did the "oh crap i misread him bad" thing

does scum set up a treasure hunt for people to identify what gamma thinks is scummy about his play.

^ I remembered liking that. I had no idea what he was referring to.


@ff, people moved up. so he moved down.

I just wanted everyone to name the one point they thought was the strongest one for me being scum, and my idea was to see what the conftown noticed vs. the unclears, and if anyone would call out something I felt would be a fair answer. The idea was those who gave similar answers to conftown would be more likely town and vice versa. Since no one got what I was going for I’ll just call it here.

[Cabd]

scumreading DS

Please unpack this one.

[Nahdia]

scumreading DS

Please unpack this one.

i maintain that 275 is a scumpost for the reasons ive given. i think his bullheadedness about the masons is more likely scum than town. his aggression is consistent with his scumplay.

[petapan]

i think his bullheadedness about the masons is more likely scum than town. his aggression is consistent with his scumplay.

i will concede the latter point is true but need an explanation on the former because that kind of paranoia is something that comes from town far more often than scum

also why am i town to you

[Tammy]

scumreading DS

Please unpack this one.

i maintain that 275 is a scumpost for the reasons ive given. i think his bullheadedness about the masons is more likely scum than town. his aggression is consistent with his scumplay.

How is his scum aggression different than his town aggression?

[Nahdia]

a bit of resistence is towny, the degree to which DS has fought against it isnt. i think he's actively in the position of feeling slighted by the setup and playng a game of "either someone is fakeclaiming or i dont care because this game wasnt fair to begin with".

you're town to me because i not infrequently see my mindset in your posts and i think your sorting effort and trajectory has felt the realest of the unclears.

scumreading DS

Please unpack this one.

i maintain that 275 is a scumpost for the reasons ive given. i think his bullheadedness about the masons is more likely scum than town. his aggression is consistent with his scumplay.

How is his scum aggression different than his town aggression?

i mean im not the sort to meta-dive extensively. my point was more to refute a general tendency i and i think many others have towards townreading aggression.

[SirCakez]

nothing recent, why

because what you're describing is just DS being DS
I don't think its some scum master gambit to destroy the town block

I was figuring you’d say that.

By the way, what do you make of my reaction when I realized I’d misread DS’ posting?

what are you referring to?

im townreading peta, scumreading DS, Cakez is hard because i feel he's been really uncharitable and unfair in his read of me but ive tunneled townies with that feeling before.

bell im wary of bc our last game together he snowed me so hard that i ended up accidentally killing him in the process of trying to save him and then felt like a big dummy when he flipped scum. there was some stuff with how he interacted with alisae recently that just didnt feel right to me, like it wasnt the sort of thing town would bother doing. he says he externally believes all claims to bait scum into shooting them but in the same breath talks about how wary he is of alisae's status as a clear.

uuuuhhh who'd i miss. midwaybear is still townie. gamma i need to actually read.

I would hardly describe my push on you as a tunnel; I'm voting Bulge rn and would also do Bell before you
I will say I am beginning to feel you are stuck on this DS push because you are worried about being POEd out and so you need a ML

[Nahdia]

i didnt describe your push as a tunnel.

[Nahdia]

i will say i am beginning to feel you are searching for the least charitable interpretation possible of everything i do. like, why cant i just be scumreading DS? why should i have reconsidered at this point if im town?

[SirCakez]

i didnt describe your push as a tunnel.

ah I thought you were from how that was worded

i will say i am beginning to feel you are searching for the least charitable interpretation possible of everything i do. like, why cant i just be scumreading DS? why should i have reconsidered at this point if im town?

it may be that I'm confirmation biased here which is why I keep asking for other people's interpretations and no one is really stepping up