Newbie 2037 - Game Over

[Facebones]

You weren't being as active as other people in the thread, I was trying to give you something relatable to talk about in order to get to know you a bit better. Thank you for confirming the legitimacy of the story without offering the slightest bit of additional insight into it, very helpful.

[Facebones]

In post 39, MiniMegabyte wrote:
Also Italiano I’m not gonna say it’s a scum read on you but the questions on what people look for when town hunting/scum hunting pings me as something a scum would ask to try and play to the townie way each person describes


Is the RQS the basis for your vote or did it influence it at all?

She voted for ItalianoVD before the RQS saga even came into the equation. How could it possibly be the basis for her vote?

You're quite right. That was meant for Rockhopper.

You can see my confusion?

[ItalianoVD]

And I think scum will play the way they’re gonna play without input from the town. I highly doubt they’re in their chat waiting for someone to post what’s scummy and do the opposite.

But you do recognise that the question you posed could be giving scum pointers?

No. Not at all actually. I read a game where you were scum with Redados. Did you ever look at any of the town players ideas, scenarios, and hypotheticals and say “hey that’s smart, I should/could do that”?

My take on it is that both RQS and RVS are ways to get to know the players. I think RQS is a more direct way and RVS a more indirect way, but to answer your question yes. I feel RQS helps me understand the players better than RVS, which in turn helps in scumhunting and also townhunting.

Okay that’s a pretty fair point but I just think RQS can be dangerous in terms of telling the scum what you’re looking for in a town/scum person but that’s just my opinion

And that’s perfectly fine. I’m not even saying for you not to think it’s suspicious, but it seems pretty unlikely it would change anything, no matter who asked the questions.

[Billy Pilgrim]

Let’s make things interesting with some RQS

For those that don’t know, RQS is called Random Questioning Stage and it has its advantages. And this is for everyone in the playerlist. Non answers get scumread.

1. What is your overall mafia experience? Not just on this site.
2. Do you prefer playing scum/wolf or town/village?
3. In your opinion, what are some of the top things to look for when scumhunting?
4. When townhunting?
5. Is it easy or difficult for you to lie?

=======================

1. I’ve been playing the wolf version of mafia since 2006. Mafiascum.net for 5 months.
2. Town/Village
3. Apathy, inconsistencies, passiveness/aggressiveness giving the context, perfect posting, and voting patterns.
4. Disagreeableness, having one’s own mind and gut feel. Oh and a little scumminess never hurt.
5. Yes. I find it very difficult to lie and work to just not do it.

I'm going to be a bit inactive until Friday. Busy with work and other things.

1) First social deduction game i played was Blood on the Clocktower a little over a year ago and I fell in love. Have played one night werewolf a bit, and particularly enjoy playing the Resistance. But ive probably played on this site the most.
2) I prefer playing as town, but it does tend to give me some anxiety.
3) Thing that im looking for the most is progressions that seem driven by things external to the person. Rather than something internal. Im not that great at scumhunting and I tend to work a bit better by townhunting and doing poe. Particularly around endgame.
4) This is a bit trickier. Im more confident in my ability to townhunt, but when asked to describe what I'm looking for, its tougher to describe.
5) Context matters. I find it pretty difficult to lie in person, but I also don't see how people can have difficulty lying in a text based game. I think logic is tougher to fake than a towntell.

I've seen SE's do RQS in three newbie games that I've been involved with. In 2 of those 3 games it came from scum. I think its a hell of an easy way to get started and kicks off the game in a comfortable way by spending time talking about theory type stuff.

VOTE: Italiano

[Billy Pilgrim]

Non answers get scumread.

Smooth. It seems like you're pretty experienced at manipulating people to do what you want them to do?

In any case, I don't want to get scumread, so here goes:

1. What is your overall mafia experience? Not just on this site.
2. Do you prefer playing scum/wolf or town/village?
3. In your opinion, what are some of the top things to look for when scumhunting?
4. When townhunting?
5. Is it easy or difficult for you to lie?

1. I have little/no mafia experience. I witnessed my housemate play a game on a different site once, but that's the extent as to how far my knowledge goes.
2. I can't really comment due to lack of experience.
3. Look out for contradictions, deliberately misusing peoples quotes out of context in order to fit their own agenda and lurking/deliberately staying out of the thread to avoid questions/trying to slip under the radar.
4. Look for people who have their own reads and back it up with proof instead of just blindly hopping on the bandwagon because everyone else is. The more activity to go off, the better. Being too verbose could have an adverse effect too I guess. I dunno, it's a tough one
5. I can't lie worth a ****. I always inevitably get called out on it and I'm not the best at thinking on my feet, so I figure it's not worth the hassle.

Can you explain the first part here?

[Billy Pilgrim]

I am testing reactions

What did you make of the reactions?

[Billy Pilgrim]

VOTE: ItalianoVD

Why?

[Billy Pilgrim]

I have to go to work soon, will post more when I'm back in about ~6 hours.
Is it normal in these newbie games to have an SE teamed up with a newb as the scum faction? What a the chances of a SE/SE or a newb/newb pairing?

you are prolly town for asking that lol
but i think it's purely random, since it wouldn't be fair otherwise

Why does this question make him town?

[Billy Pilgrim]

I am testing reactions

what do you make of bak's post?

I think I like you. Im not getting town feels from many slots early, but this one feels that way.

[Billy Pilgrim]

Also Italiano I’m not gonna say it’s a scum read on you but the questions on what people look for when town hunting/scum hunting pings me as something a scum would ask to try and play to the townie way each person describes

Is the RQS the basis for your vote or did it influence it at all?

Can you explain explain this question? His vote was at post 15 and Italiano's RQS post was 25.

[Billy Pilgrim]

EBWOP:

Is the RQS the basis for your vote or did it influence it at all?

She voted for ItalianoVD before the RQS saga even came into the equation. How could it possibly be the basis for her vote?

In post 26, Facebones wrote:
3. Look out for contradictions, deliberately misusing peoples quotes

out of context

in order to fit their own agenda and lurking/deliberately staying out of the thread to avoid questions/trying to slip under the radar.

Vote: Norfolk Boy1

This is townie.

[Billy Pilgrim]

VOTE: padwag

Actually no, this was worse

VOTE: bakslash

Not sure where your head is on this? RVS? Serious?

I dont understand the question. I dont approach these games as though there's some magical point where the game shifts from RVS to serious. Theres a wiki thread I think that talks about the early game as the Low Information stage. I like to think of it that way.

I started with my role and alignment, and I voted randomly. When I made those votes, I had a page of content and most folks had popped into the thread. So I picked the opening that I felt was the most scummy and voted it. I thought padwag's vote was fine, but the answer to the question was weird. But then I realized that bakslash hadnt posted already. Their first post in the game was literally to quote padwag's naked vote and put a question mark. Didn't engage with any of the content that was there, just put a weird question out. So if youre asking me was this vote super duper serious like im locked here and bakslash is lock!scum? Then no. But similarly, it wasn't like I rolled a die to vote either.

[Billy Pilgrim]

You really think I’d be asking the town how to scum?

You have a good point there I don’t think you would but I would say the same thing to anyone that asked those questions

Can you explain your comment then?

[Billy Pilgrim]

Billy Pilgrim seems to be town right now because they are thinking about the game, but this is a weak read as we have barely started.

Why did you vote for someone that hadn't posted yet?

[Billy Pilgrim]

Dunnstral, do you have anything to add to post #10? Keen to hear your thoughts on the matter

Why are you wanting my thoughts on that? I can confirm that that is something that happened

It happened. And it was diabolical.

[Facebones]

Non answers get scumread.

Smooth. It seems like you're pretty experienced at manipulating people to do what you want them to do?

Can you explain the first part here?

It was said purely tongue in cheek

[Norfolk Boy1]

Also Italiano I’m not gonna say it’s a scum read on you but the questions on what people look for when town hunting/scum hunting pings me as something a scum would ask to try and play to the townie way each person describes

Is the RQS the basis for your vote or did it influence it at all?

Can you explain explain this question? His vote was at post 15 and Italiano's RQS post was 25.

Already explained - it was meant for Rockhopper.

[Norfolk Boy1]

quote]I read a game where you were scum with Redados. Did you ever look at any of the town players ideas, scenarios, and hypotheticals and say “hey that’s smart, I should/could do that.

Yeah - it's clear I did, particularly in the scum PT for that game. I subbed in on night 2, so it was easier, but my main tactic for the last dayphase in particular was to manipulate Fredrick's philosophy of 'no helpful posts = scum' into him joining a wagon with me.

[Rockhopper]

I honestly don't know. I think being the informed minority, there's a psychological burden on the mafia of trying to scumhunt knowing fully well that there is no other secret faction to hunt down, while having survival as the top priority to achieve their wincon at the same time. I plan to try and deduce on this basis.

And how are you going to do that?

By constantly checking if a play is more likely a result from that mindset than a townie mindset, I guess?
For example padwag and bakslash have both hit high notes, I'll talk about that.

I don't really see how 3 and 4 are more useful to town than scum, that's one of the reasons for my vote.

I’ve asked these questions in multiple games before and as I mentioned it not only gets people talking, but it allows the town to get to know each other. Unfortunately scum is part of our town, but these questions can tell us a lot, even though you don’t think so. Think about it, if I hadn’t asked those questions what would be happening right now? Nothing. I even got you to vote for me. I didn’t RVS vote, instead I did RQS. I don’t have to waste a pointless vote, but now I can interact with the playerlist and go from there.

Oh well, I may have over reacted. Now that I think about it, it wouldn't have made much of a difference for either faction (especially for scum you).
You're back to being a null read then.

Billy Pilgrim seems to be town right now because they are thinking about the game, but this is a weak read as we have barely started.

I can see this post come from scum trying to pump out reads since Billy's only game related posts at this point were two votes (22, 23) which I think SE scum would have had no difficulty making at all.

I am testing reactions

what do you make of bak's post?

Not much. I feel that town or scum could question my vote like that, especially as it was given with no context.

But isn't it strange that he only chose to question the vote on him, and not Mini's or Billy's?
The defensive nature kinda points to the survival aspect of a scum mindset, IMO.

I have to go to work soon, will post more when I'm back in about ~6 hours.
Is it normal in these newbie games to have an SE teamed up with a newb as the scum faction? What a the chances of a SE/SE or a newb/newb pairing?

you are prolly town for asking that lol
but i think it's purely random, since it wouldn't be fair otherwise

Why does this question make him town?

I think that's the last thing to be on a scummer's mind, and I actually thought about this when the game started.
I know it sounds a bit LAMIST, but my gut just tells me this is town, I don't know how to explain it.

I am testing reactions

what do you make of bak's post?

I think I like you. Im not getting town feels from many slots early, but this one feels that way.

Wanna play chess? (im a noob btw)

Spoiler:

1.e4

[Rockhopper]

VOTE: padwag

[ItalianoVD]

Let’s make things interesting with some RQS

For those that don’t know, RQS is called Random Questioning Stage and it has its advantages. And this is for everyone in the playerlist. Non answers get scumread.

1. What is your overall mafia experience? Not just on this site.
2. Do you prefer playing scum/wolf or town/village?
3. In your opinion, what are some of the top things to look for when scumhunting?
4. When townhunting?
5. Is it easy or difficult for you to lie?

=======================

1. I’ve been playing the wolf version of mafia since 2006. Mafiascum.net for 5 months.
2. Town/Village
3. Apathy, inconsistencies, passiveness/aggressiveness giving the context, perfect posting, and voting patterns.
4. Disagreeableness, having one’s own mind and gut feel. Oh and a little scumminess never hurt.
5. Yes. I find it very difficult to lie and work to just not do it.

I'm going to be a bit inactive until Friday. Busy with work and other things.

1) First social deduction game i played was Blood on the Clocktower a little over a year ago and I fell in love. Have played one night werewolf a bit, and particularly enjoy playing the Resistance. But ive probably played on this site the most.
2) I prefer playing as town, but it does tend to give me some anxiety.
3) Thing that im looking for the most is progressions that seem driven by things external to the person. Rather than something internal. Im not that great at scumhunting and I tend to work a bit better by townhunting and doing poe. Particularly around endgame.
4) This is a bit trickier. Im more confident in my ability to townhunt, but when asked to describe what I'm looking for, its tougher to describe.
5) Context matters. I find it pretty difficult to lie in person, but I also don't see how people can have difficulty lying in a text based game. I think logic is tougher to fake than a towntell.

I've seen SE's do RQS in three newbie games that I've been involved with. In 2 of those 3 games it came from scum. I think its a hell of an easy way to get started and kicks off the game in a comfortable way by spending time talking about theory type stuff.

VOTE: Italiano

Let’s make things interesting with some RQS

For those that don’t know, RQS is called Random Questioning Stage and it has its advantages. And this is for everyone in the playerlist. Non answers get scumread.

1. What is your overall mafia experience? Not just on this site.
2. Do you prefer playing scum/wolf or town/village?
3. In your opinion, what are some of the top things to look for when scumhunting?
4. When townhunting?
5. Is it easy or difficult for you to lie?

=======================

1. I’ve been playing the wolf version of mafia since 2006. Mafiascum.net for 5 months.
2. Town/Village
3. Apathy, inconsistencies, passiveness/aggressiveness giving the context, perfect posting, and voting patterns.
4. Disagreeableness, having one’s own mind and gut feel. Oh and a little scumminess never hurt.
5. Yes. I find it very difficult to lie and work to just not do it.

I'm going to be a bit inactive until Friday. Busy with work and other things.

1) First social deduction game i played was Blood on the Clocktower a little over a year ago and I fell in love. Have played one night werewolf a bit, and particularly enjoy playing the Resistance. But ive probably played on this site the most.
2) I prefer playing as town, but it does tend to give me some anxiety.
3) Thing that im looking for the most is progressions that seem driven by things external to the person. Rather than something internal. Im not that great at scumhunting and I tend to work a bit better by townhunting and doing poe. Particularly around endgame.
4) This is a bit trickier. Im more confident in my ability to townhunt, but when asked to describe what I'm looking for, its tougher to describe.
5) Context matters. I find it pretty difficult to lie in person, but I also don't see how people can have difficulty lying in a text based game. I think logic is tougher to fake than a towntell.

I've seen SE's do RQS in three newbie games that I've been involved with. In 2 of those 3 games it came from scum. I think its a hell of an easy way to get started and kicks off the game in a comfortable way by spending time talking about theory type stuff.

VOTE: Italiano

Aww that’s nice. Well consider this to be 2 out of 4.

Well it looks like everyone has answered all the questions, well except for Rockhopper and Norfolk Boy. The reason I did this was as I stated: to get people talking and for us to get to know each other quicker and more efficiently than just throwing random votes around (not saying RVS is pointless, but I feel sometimes players hide behind it as an excuse to not have to explain their vote).

The other reason, contrary to some of your opinions, is for this information to assist the town players in scumhunting as well as townhunting, which I feel is just as important. Not now and probably not the rest of this day, but all of our answers are gonna come back up and whatever scenario we are in, the town players will be able to go back to those questions and use them as a help/guide. It’s late where I am so I’ll get into more interactions and whatnot tomorrow.

But for now I’m gonna put pressure on the player that said

“3. When scumhunting I think you should look for people who haven't contributed much to the conversation.”

VOTE: bakslash

[Rockhopper]

I think padwag is scummier but I'll do bak for now.

VOTE: bakslash
That's E-2

[MiniMegabyte]

I think padwag is scummier but I'll do bak for now.

VOTE: bakslash
That's E-2

How did this happen 4 pages in?? What is town going to get out of this?

[MiniMegabyte]

You really think I’d be asking the town how to scum?

You have a good point there I don’t think you would but I would say the same thing to anyone that asked those questions

Can you explain your comment then?

It seems scummy to do but I’ve played with Italiano before so I don’t think they would need to ask for their benefit

[MiniMegabyte]

I think padwag is scummier but I'll do bak for now.

VOTE: bakslash
That's E-2

Also why did you make this vote? If you think someone else is scummier why not vote them instead of putting someone else at E-2?