mystery box of silver 10: neighborhood (this is done)

[Titus]

Plus if April is wrong, you can always lynch Shelly tomorrow. We still think that giving you the control is best on the lynch. I just can't see how using a tracker on you to have you track scum who won't nightkill is pretty pointless. Doubly so since that result is likely NAI. (FL is likely a motion detector either way).

[Titus]

I seriously regret inviting my brother. :/

[Almost50]

?? What did you think I said??

1- I know Plus is Town. I am saying

shelly

is scum
2- I dunno what April asked or didn't. I want that ability for myself to kill shelly if she isn't eliminated today.

[Titus]

Great, you can have that ability to lynch shelly if that's what you decide on. I trust you'd reevaluate if April flips scum, but if she flips town, then the shellyc counter was all town.

I don't think shelly is scum.

[Almost50]

Plus if April is wrong, you can always lynch Shelly tomorrow. We still think that giving you the control is best on the lynch. I just can't see how using a tracker on you to have you track scum who won't nightkill is pretty pointless. Doubly so since that result is likely NAI. (FL is likely a motion detector either way).

If April is MD then HOW did he get the motion on you? You say it's because you submitted it, and mastina says it's mod-confrimed undetectable. WHICH IS IT??

Also, I didn't want Tracker for myself. I said ANY of us SIX. That's the 3 of you (Society) and the 3 of us (Goliath).

Also, even if April is MD we know whom he targeted, and if he is Scum the target is inherently town?

[Titus]

April tried to fish a PR or outright faked it.

We can't gift ourselves.

[Titus]

We will likely gift to you so it at lrast gets used

[mastina]

mastina, you had better be right on April. Otherwise, Math will make this game worse than it is.

April is literally lying about having detected motion on you. We know that neighborizing does not show up to Action Investigatives, including not showing up to a Motion Detector.

April claimed Motion Detector and tried to say his role was meant to work with loyal/disloyal role to prove its targets--except we automatically receive the loyal/disloyal role's results, so WE are that function; his role is redundant given we do what he says his role is meant to do, automatically.
April tried to synergize his Motion Detector claim with Mena being a tracker--except we are the people who MAKE people trackers. We literally MAKE people trackers, a role that is many magnitudes stronger than motion detector in many ways.

April showed TMI in knowing there was a cop role in the game. (It's actually a disloyal cop-inventor, but if inventing to nontown, that's still a cop investigation.)

April has not one, but THREE

mechanical

reasons for being scum.
April has also shown TMI scum knowledge, in a way nearly identical to how Gamma showed it D1.
And then there's the multiple reasons April is scum by play, because he is making a desperate attempt to recover. (Joke's on him, though, because even if he worms his way out of the D2 elimination, which he shouldn't, he'll be dead D3. )

[mastina]

The best way I see to resolve April is to have a Tracker tracking him tonight. If you give Tracker to one of yourselves or ourselves that should be it. That's 6 candidates for you to choose from.

Trackerizing someone is a night action--it doesn't resolve until the end of the night.
So it'll take until D3 for someone to become a tracker.
Also, pretty sure we can't make ourselves trackers, but one of you as a tracker, sure.

[mastina]

Plus if April is wrong, you can always lynch Shelly tomorrow. We still think that giving you the control is best on the lynch. I just can't see how using a tracker on you to have you track scum who won't nightkill is pretty pointless. Doubly so since that result is likely NAI. (FL is likely a motion detector either way).

If April is MD then HOW did he get the motion on you?

A good question!
No town player has come forth as saying they visited Titus.
And we have

100% mod confirmation that Titus does not count as visiting for the neighborize

.
We know Titus didn't create motion herself;
No town player has come forth as saying they visited Titus.

Ergo, either some magical mystical unclaimed scum PR visited Titus...

...OR, April is full of shit and bullshitted a result that's not actually accurate.

[mastina]

You say it's because you submitted it, and mastina says it's mod-confrimed undetectable. WHICH IS IT??

I can clarify this.

Titus didn't know at the start of the day that our neighborize doesn't show to action investigations. She assumed it did, but she asked the mod about it.

The mod said that we don't show up to action investigations, including motion detectors.

But by this time, Titus had already claimed responsibility for having neighborized you.

Titus's original statements were under the belief of "I guess I counted as visiting with the neighborize", more or less, but we asked the mod to confirm after the fact.
Except the mod proved the assumption wrong.

[Titus]

Fucking a mastina.

[Titus]

A50, we're still giving you the king role and the tracker. Please track a nightkill with it tomorrow night.

We know scum visited me now or town remained silent after my claim.

[Titus]

Ok. You're not getting a tracker A50. Apparently the tracker ability was a one shot.

[Titus]

One point's impossible (the tracker). Our two point wincon just got harder and we don't have the unity between us to get a unanimous scumread to achieve it.

[Nero Cain]

you should kill math like seriously and not just b/c she's "scumreading" us but I legit think she could be king that's trying to use us as an excuse to to hunt king

[schadd_]

mathblade uses he/him

[Titus]

Nero, please respect that transition.

[Nero Cain]

i forgot fuck off if you think I was purposely misgendering anyone

[Titus]

Nope. Don't think it was intentional.

[Nero Cain]

lets talk about who you want to lynch a50.

[mastina]

Ok. You're not getting a tracker A50. Apparently the tracker ability was a one shot.

Yeah it said once at night, so we assumed once every night.

I do take full responsibility for this.

I will still try to be a mediator, keep things from getting heated, keep fighting from going on, try to get people to get on the same page in terms of reads, but as I already told Nero/Titus: I got nuthin'.

I thought I really had something. That between our roles, we had caught April, that his play was scum through and through.

I can shift gears here to be more defensive. Help give proof that we're a 3p not scum, help show that we're telling the truth that this game is singleball and with one scumteam and only one scumteam. Can continue to coordinate, can continue to try and be a voice of reason in getting people on the same page, smoothing over tensions, etc.

But I fully deserve to not be listened to and accept that because I fucked up.
If April had flipped scum, we'd all be golden. We'd all be on the same page, we'd be proven, we'd be able to show that we're telling the truth, we'd be able to work together as a six-man cohesive unit. But since he didn't. Damage control mode. Trying to keep infighting to a minimum.

I made a mistake, I thought I was right when I wasn't, was so sure I was right when I wasn't, so I'll own up to the consequences of that.

[mastina]

I suppose for a start:
Almost50, can you ask your group to all compile their reads and ideally list reasons with them? I'm looking for four lists total, from Morning, Battle Mage, superbowl9, and yourself.
Nero/Titus, can you do the same?

I imagine between those six lists, there will be rather strong disagreements involved; I wanna see if there's any points we can bridge the gaps in, to get closer to the same page and give us a better grip on things.

[mastina]

Btw something that might help:
The color of our role PMs.
Our role PMs are not the same shade of green as the town role PM, but they

are

still *a* shade of green.

[Titus]

Tomorrow. I need to reset hard and go to bed.