Death Curse

[Isis]

Am I townlock yet

[MUSHSHAGANA]

Bell, I'm gonna ask if you can give me a megapost. Just, something gigantic. Summary of the game, your collected case against Noraa, I don't actually care, the important part is having a large block of game relevant content to gaze into. I don't really have the energy to go through my usual stuff, maybe being nice will pay dividends. I get the feeling that your answer's going to be no, but I have to ask or I might just be wasting my time to get what I could have gotten easier this way.

[shellyc]

Am I townlock yet

unfort no until you produce content

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

gloria you an alt or hydra?

pooky thoughts on bell right now
do you see what I'm seeing

I already said bell is scum a while ago

[shellyc]

@Mush
do you have other TRs than taylor/LLD?
because you mentioned having a "few" TRs

[shellyc]

I already said bell is scum a while ago

ftr if 2 more people say willing to kill bell lets pivot together onto that slot

I get nothing but scumvibes

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Am I townlock yet

this is very underwhelming tbh

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I already said bell is scum a while ago

ftr if 2 more people say willing to kill bell lets pivot together onto that slot

I get nothing but scumvibes

why ? Noraa is scum too

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

we can get them both

[Tayl0r Swift]

Am I townlock yet

this is very underwhelming tbh

do you expect isis to be cuter?

[Bell]

Bell, I'm gonna ask if you can give me a megapost. Just, something gigantic. Summary of the game, your collected case against Noraa, I don't actually care, the important part is having a large block of game relevant content to gaze into. I don't really have the energy to go through my usual stuff, maybe being nice will pay dividends. I get the feeling that your answer's going to be no, but I have to ask or I might just be wasting my time to get what I could have gotten easier this way.

No. I’m depressed right now and in no mood to perform like a monkey. I’ll eventually town tell like I always do

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

No. I’m depressed right now and in no mood to perform like a monkey. I’ll eventually town tell like I always do

*hugs*

you are loved.

[Bell]

gloria you an alt or hydra?

pooky thoughts on bell right now
do you see what I'm seeing

I already said bell is scum a while ago

You were serious?

[Isis]

this is very underwhelming tbh

Please townlock me

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I already said bell is scum a while ago

ftr if 2 more people say willing to kill bell lets pivot together onto that slot

I get nothing but scumvibes

hahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahah

No.

I'll just as soon burn you to the ground for doing this as I will let that happen.

Noraa dies today.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

you didn't coach Noraa?

[shellyc]

im currently laser focused on bell because noraa is going to be today and i do SR there but I feel like that slot has been touched on too many times and is rather obvious scum

re: Bell defense of noraa. if bell just bussed there noraa would probably be dead already
discrediting without pushing and the effort to make reads is a reeeeeallllllllly good way to stop the push while still not going against the town leader
taylor just straight-out WKed there and bell discredited the push/agreed with taylor but still townread LLD

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Please townlock me

townlock'd

[Lady Lambdadelta]

this is very underwhelming tbh

Please townlock me

Earn it, bitch.

>:)

[Bell]

Thanks bear.
Now stop throwing shade at me. It makes me think you’re scum. Cause you aren’t asking anything and lacking curiosity here.

[shellyc]

I'll just as soon burn you to the ground for doing this as I will let that happen.

yes noraa dies today im like, not opposed to that at all but i feel we're wasting too much energy on outed scum

[shellyc]

Thanks bear.
Now stop throwing shade at me. It makes me think you’re scum. Cause you aren’t asking anything and lacking curiosity here.

all bell knows to do is omgus

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i already said I think you're scum because you're coaching noraa in the scum PT

[Bell]

im currently laser focused on bell because noraa is going to be today and i do SR there but I feel like that slot has been touched on too many times and is rather obvious scum

re: Bell defense of noraa. if bell just bussed there noraa would probably be dead already
discrediting without pushing and the effort to make reads is a reeeeeallllllllly good way to stop the push while still not going against the town leader
taylor just straight-out WKed there and bell discredited the push/agreed with taylor but still townread LLD

Where did I discredit the push

[Isis]

Spoiler:

appearing to forget the game is nightless in particular is probably a bad town slip to do though

unless you really want to appear like you did not check to see if the setup was nightless before signing up for the game
because that is not a town slip

p-edit
and that was the answer i was looking for
UNVOTE:

i will think about voting noraa
but i will probably wait for her response to the vote on her first
as i do not know if noraa is known to read setups or not

Prior to this game, Noraa talked about joining this game on discord. It's how I was able to join it, I usually don't look at games like this so they tend to pass me by.

Noraa was definitely excited to play this game, I would find it weird if she did not know the things she was claiming to be ignorant of in that post.

The truth is, this is just the best play on odds as well as likely to flip scum.

In the off chance Noraa is town, she can use that power of the death scroll to interrogate some people and do some solving for us.

And if she's scum I'm sure I'll get the scroll from her instantly for doing this, which will let ME fill that role.

It's win win. People should want to see Noraa die here, I think.

I think there's too much perfectionist in you for this to be townposting.

not a big thing to note but "Pooky dragged me into this game" reads towny. As town, if someone else tells me to join a game, I would absolutely put that out there along with most likely a thing being like so yeah its their fault if I die of having too many games rn.

I don't think you should townread survivalistic behavior, in general, you should scumread it in general.

however since the scum know who each townie are likely to murder, they will generally pass to people who won't murder them.

Yeah, so why are you against fixing that by leashing the final pass? This isn't like leashing a vig where you lose the ability to read the vig based on their decisions, because the "vig" is always dead.
Leaving the first pass un-leashed should provide plenty of entropy

to restate my read on noraa

i fully expect them to die today
i believe a different wagon will generate better connections between people because i believe it is fairly obvious that noraa will die soon at this point
so i see no reason to continue a wagon on someone when they will almost certainly die today and we can probably get better information somewhere else

I think this is someone with a green role PM

Spoiler:

FIRST

VOTE: Tayl0r Swift

also in the event that we hit scum first, we should still do our darndest to hit scum on the second shot. i think its a bad play to hit town on purpose.

I was gonna vote myself coming into the game if I rolled scum as a WIFOM tactic

Isis are you allowed to tell us how many scum there are?

...

I like this UNVOTE: wait I was voting Pooky VOTE: Pooky

the way noraa is responding to pressure is increasingly the way shed do it as scum, but its not unlike her town meta.

This doesn't seem like a townie thought process, it seems like a scum thought process about where Taylor needs to eventually land.

So in my mind, you just want to let the person we voted do what they want, and then let the middle person be treated as a confirmed townie, ask questions and work together to help them make a good informed choice but not control them.

Ok this is actually adjacent to what I want I guess
I quarterback all the board game nights, you know.
But like, I think it is actively good to leave someone super scummy alive (don't make them the voted person) so person2 has the possibility of passing to that person.

If anyone "accidentally hammers" tho, I'm SRing you to hell and back, scum and ur going down with me 100% if u try to get that towncred.

...did you just say people who hammer you accrue towncred?

Spoiler:

Skipped the last page. I hit LLD's explanation of the perfect town play, and -- perfection. That was solid. I had to stop right there. LLD is basically confirmed town to me, I don't see a hole in that reasoning -- either the second person in the chain is scum (and we hit our 1-mark anyway so who gives a shit) or they aren't (and we get to work with them.) Yes I'm just restating the post I don't care it was that good.

In the first 13 pages I read, I came to the conclusion that Noraa is town but doomed and Tayl0r and LLD are town. LLD is, as far as I'm concerned, locktown until and unless I see undeniable, game-long associatives to the contrary. (FWIW, I see no associatives with any slot at all here unless that was the bravest and dumbest early game bus you ever did see on the back of probably the easiest player to explain as a mis-elim waiting to happen in history, so I'm going to go out on a limb and stretch real hard while saying that from my POV LLD is conftown and leave it at that.)

Tayl0r is more wavery, but this is identical to past Tayl0r play I've seen first-hand, so I'm going to stick with it. Tayl0r is a good player, but three things I've learned: her posts look iffy, her reasoning is complete garbo and her reads are pretty wonky (not unspeakably bad, just.... yeah). I'm going to say I don't think it's possible to use Tayl0r sucking at explaining herself as a scumtell. I'm sure plenty will disagree, but I think this is solid based on past experience.

If I was someone else or if it was someone else, I might try to defend Noraa's slot. But I don't think I can: the arguments have been put forward and the stage is set, Noraa's going down, I see no hope for her. Always possible to see a last minute wagon swap, but Noraa's play is poo and dirt. Doomed. Sorry bud.

Since there's no power roles unless I missed some whopping big habanero in some hidden fine print somewhere, my reads are going to be more confident than usual when I'm whiffing a scum scent. (Past performance indicates I almost always mixup scum and PRs, far less so VTs and scum.)

So then! Since I'll be more confident, how about those scumreads?...

Shelly and I have tangled in the past and I never win that scum matchup. She's elusive and I trust myself to read her play approximately 0%. Her town play is nigh indistinguishable from her scum play unless there's a binary choice to be made. I agree with uh, someone not sure who who said that knocking her out early is a good idea. She's a dangerous player to have around as scum, and while her intuition is good for town (I highly trust a conftown shelly's judgement), I get the feeling from past banter in this thread that this is going to be the sort of game where it's easy to just point at someone and watch half the town put on the Big Boots and go a-stomping. Big risk having her around.

But this isn't really a read, per se, now is it? No, it's just "meta suggests this player is scary." That said, it's just the closest I have at the moment. Lots of very light townreads and total nulls for me currently. This back and forth with Bell and shelly, normally the sort of thing I can get a ton of reads out of, is meaningless to me -- largely because Bell's play is not the play I have an easy time reading. Short posts and me disagree with each other, it's like feeding rice to water fowl, it just turns into a mess. Functionally, I have no read on Bell and that makes me nervous enough that I might want to add pressure and see if I can get content my brain can work with. We'll see if I see someone I'd prefer more for that, or maybe if I even find scum. It's happened once before, after all.

Future's boundless, folks, and anything might happen.

If Lady Lambdadelta flips green I'm worried about this being a way to placate the town leader because I think even to a newbie it should be intuitive that good mechposts are the most fakable content, and that's being focused on instead of the better reasons to townread her.