Death Curse

[shellyc]

I dunno, you’ve seen the follies of people enough and you’ve been scum enough to know how often we are to be wrong.
Though there’s a lot of players that are like that and keep on truckin’
So meh.

The charisma thing I feel plays more into early day phases and irl mafia than online mafia. But off topic

if we think we're wrong -> re-evaluate theres a point where the chain has to stop and i feel no need to post every single part of the re-evaluation

[MUSHSHAGANA]

I need to sleep, so I'm heading out. Tomorrow will be busy, I'll be active but only inconsistently so. I recommend anyone who has questions for me notepads them and bombards me when they see me post, cause I'm going to be power-skimming when I have time given how fast this thread rolls.

[Bell]

Okay. I guess just from recent experience if you’re town the scum team must be enjoying your reads rn.

[Isis]

If you don't think charisma is a dominating force in forum mafia, I think you're wrong, but I think you're probably wrong because you're not defining charisma broadly enough rather than disagreeing about the kind of posting winning the games. Some players have an extremely low rate of being executed on both sides of alignment. Most of them are also good at protecting partners and finding scum, but some of them aren't, but it's a huge boost to winrate to always survive either way.

[shellyc]

Okay. I guess just from recent experience if you’re town the scum team must be enjoying your reads rn.

I don't have terrible reads

I think my read accuracy > ability to obvtown any day as town

[shellyc]

we should make an MD thread about this someday

UNO come back please
isis are you still reconsidering bell

[UNOwen]

ok why do you think the logic is weak because meta itself is quite compelling

This is the meta reason:

The iso doesn't matter. LLD doesn't want to interact with me whenever she's scum and she passed up an opportunity to interact with me. She's probably scum

If LLD scum always tries to avoid a player and they have enough experience together for this to be a thing, then it probably would have come up before and so LLD scum would know to play around it. It sounds like kind of a weak tell to try and take out the most proactive player and yourself over.

[shellyc]

If LLD scum always tries to avoid a player and they have enough experience together for this to be a thing, then it probably would have come up before and so LLD scum would know to play around it. It sounds like kind of a weak tell to try and take out the most proactive player and yourself over.

but why would scum ever try and miselim a proactive player when they have a nightkill

wait
scum don't have a nightkill
this makes sense uno you're good

[shellyc]

but i guess scum could just vengekill a proactive player but scum lose their NK after that

so conclusion this is a super townsided step woohoo

[UNOwen]

To get back to you, UNOwen, I think you could opine on /literally any slot except the universal punching bag/? I mean, you are taking /no stands/ here. I don't even expect your vote to move, I expect you to have anything at all to talk about with this 20 player game OTHER than the player that's been talked about to death.

Your slot is content free. Content. Free. You have taken no stand worth remarking on, you have chimed on on zero non-Noraa events of any sort, you have posted no reads that aren't the single easiest elimination/miselimination possible in this entire game. UNOwen, if I didn't know better I'd say you weren't playing this game at all, and that you're on the player list by mistake and using the opportunity to dunk on Noraa. /That isn't a compliment./

At some point I will have opinions that are more substantial and worth offering without request. But the game has just started, and it is going at a good pace, so I see no reason to rush.

[shellyc]

UNO i would like these names arranged in order of town -> scum
shellyc
Mushagana
isis
pooky
LLD
hopkirk

[Isis]

ok why do you think the logic is weak because meta itself is quite compelling

This is the meta reason:

The iso doesn't matter. LLD doesn't want to interact with me whenever she's scum and she passed up an opportunity to interact with me. She's probably scum

If LLD scum always tries to avoid a player and they have enough experience together for this to be a thing, then it probably would have come up before and so LLD scum would know to play around it. It sounds like kind of a weak tell to try and take out the most proactive player and yourself over.

It happened in a second game even though it was a pattern in the first, so that counterargument didn't matter to me.
Even assuming she's aware about it, why couldn't it be correct play to just do it anyway and get voted and end up an

eleventh

of the way to getting eliminated? It's unlikely to be compelling to other players.

[Bell]

Okay. I guess just from recent experience if you’re town the scum team must be enjoying your reads rn.

I don't have terrible reads

I think my read accuracy > ability to obvtown any day as town

There’s a lot that factors into that .
Most of us are content with being accurate but unable to convince others that’s the case.
Though I feel like if you can’t show your work you’re probably not going to be that accurate in the first place and just having a reputation for being accurate gives you a lot of pull.

@shelyc, didn’t I ask about that. And didn’t you start the game out by joke scum claiming that you had a day vig, which in this game only scum have? Well, I think it was an rtc
But because mountainous.
Hmm.

I really son’t Think this is town sided in terms of set up since essentially we have no way to mechanically clear any player.
It’s pure scum hunting with the caveat that scum can’t shoot their partners.

[shellyc]

im getting major gut townvibes from hopkirk btw, based on the resistance to leashing, the pushing on noraa and reasonable TRs

[UNOwen]

UNO i would like these names arranged in order of town -> scum
shellyc
Mushagana
isis
pooky
LLD
hopkirk

Now I like this task.
LLD
MUSH
shellyc
Pooky
Hopkirk
Isis

[Isis]

Like sometimes when you are good at scum you realize "I need to do X thing and that one person will definitely scumread me for it but everyone else will townread me for it so it doesn't matter"

[shellyc]

Okay. I guess just from recent experience if you’re town the scum team must be enjoying your reads rn.

I don't have terrible reads

I think my read accuracy > ability to obvtown any day as town

There’s a lot that factors into that .
Most of us are content with being accurate but unable to convince others that’s the case.
Though I feel like if you can’t show your work you’re probably not going to be that accurate in the first place and just having a reputation for being accurate gives you a lot of pull.

@shelyc, didn’t I ask about that. And didn’t you start the game out by joke scum claiming that you had a day vig, which in this game only scum have? Well, I think it was an rtc
But because mountainous.
Hmm.

I really son’t Think this is town sided in terms of set up since essentially we have no way to mechanically clear any player.
It’s pure scum hunting with the caveat that scum can’t shoot their partners.

we effectively deny scum an NK if we hit scum on the last pass

[shellyc]

LLD
MUSH
shellyc
Pooky
Hopkirk
Isis

insightful

why is mush that high though

[Isis]

I reread some of Bell's posts, I guess I kind of see it, I think they're a lot less concerning with green!Nora though

[UNOwen]

It happened in a second game even though it was a pattern in the first, so that counterargument didn't matter to me.
Even assuming she's aware about it, why couldn't it be correct play to just do it anyway and get voted and end up an

eleventh

of the way to getting eliminated? It's unlikely to be compelling to other players.

Well two games experience certainly doesn't sound like enough to establish a pattern.
If you're playing with a player who has a scum tell on you that you can easily counter, then it is surely correct play to just do that?

[Bell]

The odds of hitting scum on the last shot aren’t terrible but not great either.

[shellyc]

I reread some of Bell's posts, I guess I kind of see it, I think they're a lot less concerning with green!Nora though

oh are you still thinking of the possibility of noraa town
noraa's whole iso screams LAMISS*

*Look At Me I'm So Scum

[Bell]

I reread some of Bell's posts, I guess I kind of see it, I think they're a lot less concerning with green!Nora though

I’d rather take the heat and have scum Noraa scrolled than have no heat and a town Noraa scrolled.

[shellyc]

I reread some of Bell's posts, I guess I kind of see it, I think they're a lot less concerning with green!Nora though

I’d rather take the heat and have scum Noraa scrolled than have no heat and a town Noraa scrolled.

It happened in a second game even though it was a pattern in the first, so that counterargument didn't matter to me.
Even assuming she's aware about it, why couldn't it be correct play to just do it anyway and get voted and end up an

eleventh

of the way to getting eliminated? It's unlikely to be compelling to other players.

Well two games experience certainly doesn't sound like enough to establish a pattern.
If you're playing with a player who has a scum tell on you that you can easily counter, then it is surely correct play to just do that?

no
based on my vast experience playing scum
it's sometimes all about finding a target audience

[Bell]

There’s a lot of occam’s razor issues and experience issues going around this.
I guess isis is more familiar with my not being a fan with being associated with unflipped potential scum but you’re not totally unaware of that either.