Death Curse

[UNOwen]

insightful

why is mush that high though

Aggressive swinging reminds me of her town play when we played together. In that game I thought that her behaviour was very unlikely to be fake able by scum, it looks like she is on the same path. The Taylor read she has also calls back to that game, and I think it is honest based on how they interacted then.

[Bell]

LLD
MUSH
shellyc
Pooky
Hopkirk
Isis

insightful

why is mush that high though

Reeee why is this insightful.

[Zdenek]

"I should be TRing Bell"
"proceeds to SR Bell"

inconsistency = bad

Here we learn that shelly thinks that should is is, but I guess that depends on what your definition of is is.

[Zdenek]

Zdenek: I genuinely don’t know what you want me to say from that post. It just looks like you’re fence sitting.

Not fencesitting. I think you're failing to make me think your town since there are red letters in your roll pm.

[Bell]

They have some subtle grammatical peculiarities. NAI to me tho.

[UNOwen]

Like sometimes when you are good at scum you realize "I need to do X thing and that one person will definitely scumread me for it but everyone else will townread me for it so it doesn't matter"

Why would LLD not engaging with you lead to everyone else town reading her though?
You have a point that scum might take the trade of being scumread by one to be townread by many, but it's not clear why you think that would be the equation at play here.

[shellyc]

LLD
MUSH
shellyc
Pooky
Hopkirk
Isis

insightful

why is mush that high though

Reeee why is this insightful.

The LLD read is a consensus read and not too out of place.
The Mush read is well-reasoned and logical
The Pooky read is fine since pooky/isis s/s is possible
I would like you to elaborate on hopkirk tho

[Zdenek]

My top three scum reads are Noraa, Owen and Bell.

What's this all about?

Ah yes, I knew that my vote against Noraa would lead to good things.
The wagon looks promising, Noraa's reaction to the pressure has indeed been flaily.
Adorable's vote was not great.

[UNOwen]

@Zdenek - But what's it all about?

[Bell]

They didn’t give a reason at the time of that post tho and no logic was provided.

Hopkirk I just have trouble reading through the rhymes because i’m not enjoying him like I usually would due to anhedonia.

[Isis]

It happened in a second game even though it was a pattern in the first, so that counterargument didn't matter to me.
Even assuming she's aware about it, why couldn't it be correct play to just do it anyway and get voted and end up an

eleventh

of the way to getting eliminated? It's unlikely to be compelling to other players.

Well two games experience certainly doesn't sound like enough to establish a pattern.
If you're playing with a player who has a scum tell on you that you can easily counter, then it is surely correct play to just do that?

I don't think I've ever mentioned it before.
I also knew LLD would not consider it valid no matter her role, and when you feel something is invalid you skew even more towards, just do the thing that one weird person doesn't like, the games that aren't rigged are easier to beat.

I don't think you're solving, because the goalposts here should clearly be at "I believe Isis believes this" rather than "Isis is right to believe this", because "2 games isn't actually enough evidence" is a very good argument that in a disciplined scientific way it's flawed but it should be pretty obvious a human you don't know very well could be rather convinced from just a couple games.
VOTE: UNOWEN

[Bell]

Zdenek: I genuinely don’t know what you want me to say from that post. It just looks like you’re fence sitting.

Not fencesitting. I think you're failing to make me think your town since there are red letters in your roll pm.

You’re

[MURDERCAT]

why is murder town btw, entrance doesn't really ping either way

I'm town for immediately jumping on Noraa with no remorse when she flips scum, but also because memes

[shellyc]

Hopkirk I just have trouble reading through the rhymes because i’m not enjoying him like I usually would due to anhedonia.

bell is your name uno

[UNOwen]

I would like you to elaborate on hopkirk tho

Hopkirk asked about the specifics of what Noraa said in discord. I expect that this is one place where Noraa might be correct - as in she only mentioned Hectic as a mod being exciting or whatever and nothing about setup - but don't think it makes her reaction to the wagon any less scummy so Hopkirk investigating something that looked like a dead end pinged slightly.

[shellyc]

I don't think you're solving, because the goalposts here should clearly be at "I believe Isis believes this" rather than "Isis is right to believe this", because "2 games isn't actually enough evidence" is a very good argument that in a disciplined scientific way it's flawed but it should be pretty obvious a human you don't know very well could be rather convinced from just a couple games.
VOTE: UNOWEN

i can see uno's logic tho
that two people who know each other's meta well would adapt to get a TR

it's not really scumpingy at all
plus UNO's reads are rather good

[Bell]

Are you complaining.

[Zdenek]

I saw like one person even float a Tayl0r-Noraa team here

Well, pooky has floated it, that's what I'm responding to. I'm not sure whether it was shot down. If it was, I don't think it was done convincingly.

Zdenek, have you considered that asking game advancing questions might be better for the town? Or being more specific if you absolutely have to ask questions that don't help sort slots? Maybe taking any kind of strong stand at all?

I haven't read about 1/2 the game. So I'm ok with my stances at the moment. Sometimes, I ask questions just to interact with people to see how they feel to me, and sometimes that's helpful.

[shellyc]

Hopkirk asked about the specifics of what Noraa said in discord. I expect that this is one place where Noraa might be correct - as in she only mentioned Hectic as a mod being exciting or whatever and nothing about setup - but don't think it makes her reaction to the wagon any less scummy so Hopkirk investigating something that looked like a dead end pinged slightly.

hectic is a rather boring mod

don't modkill me

an investigative mindset leans town though, it's not making something out of nothing, it's quite clearly a solving mindset

[Isis]

Like sometimes when you are good at scum you realize "I need to do X thing and that one person will definitely scumread me for it but everyone else will townread me for it so it doesn't matter"

Why would LLD not engaging with you lead to everyone else town reading her though?
You have a point that scum might take the trade of being scumread by one to be townread by many, but it's not clear why you think that would be the equation at play here.

She did it in a couple games (wait, actually 3?) so it must have furthered her wincon somehow. I'm not sure how, she's levels above me, but I'm guessing the kind of topics I tend to bring up aren't ones that are easy to engage with in a way that lets her "perform town". Like, bad lines to start an improv skit with, that kind of sense. I don't think I'm a brilliant scumhunter she's scared of, that's for sure.

[MURDERCAT]

Why hasn’t LLD been vigged yet.
I feel like if I were scum I would have sent that message in yesterday.

At this point we are probably treating Noraa as scum so she can just pass to LLD without much cost

[shellyc]

At this point we are probably treating Noraa as scum so she can just pass to LLD without much cost

because it opens up the opportunity for LLD to hit scum on that last pass

[Bell]

Please don’t scum claim unless you’re me, because I can’t wifom myself.

[MURDERCAT]

You’re basically dead to me at this point shelly.
This is your scum game.

...

asking for reads = scummy
paranoia = scummy

this is omgus by the way, i've been SR on bell since forever

Kinda agree with bell tbh

[Bell]

I think i’m just supposed to pretend that makes sense. @#771