Newbie 2037 - Game Over

[Rockhopper]

I think padwag is scummier but I'll do bak for now.

VOTE: bakslash
That's E-2

Also why did you make this vote? If you think someone else is scummier why not vote them instead of putting someone else at E-2?

I'm curious to see his response/reaction

[Micc]

Votecount 1.02

bakslash (3) -

padwag, ItalianoVD, Rockhopper

ItalianoVD (2) -

MiniMegabyte, Billy Pilgrim

Norfolk Boy1 (1) -

Facebones

Not Voting (3) -

Bakslash, Norfolk Boy1, Dunnstral

With 9 players alive it takes 5 votes to eliminate.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2020-10-30 12:15:00).

[ItalianoVD]

VOTE: padwag

I think padwag is scummier but I'll do bak for now.

VOTE: bakslash
That's E-2

Why do you think Padwag is scummy? And like Mini said, if you think he’s scummier, why wouldn’t you vote for him?

[Norfolk Boy1]

I'm curious to see his response/reaction

You've prefaced it as being a temporary vote, I don't see you getting much from that.

I don't see an issue with putting him at E-2 (I played a game here where someone was E-2 within 20 posts) but be firm with it.

[ItalianoVD]

I am testing reactions

this post actually gives off town vibes to me tbh, i can elaborate on this if someone wants (ps im not really good at articulation

What changed?

[ItalianoVD]

quote]I read a game where you were scum with Redados. Did you ever look at any of the town players ideas, scenarios, and hypotheticals and say “hey that’s smart, I should/could do that.

Yeah - it's clear I did, particularly in the scum PT for that game. I subbed in on night 2, so it was easier, but my main tactic for the last dayphase in particular was to manipulate Fredrick's philosophy of 'no helpful posts = scum' into him joining a wagon with me.

And where did that get you?

[ItalianoVD]

Just to throw it out there, I feels like something is off with Billy’s posts. Give me a moment to break it down. I’ll give an analysis of why I think so.

[Rockhopper]

VOTE: padwag

I think padwag is scummier but I'll do bak for now.

VOTE: bakslash
That's E-2

Why do you think Padwag is scummy? And like Mini said, if you think he’s scummier, why wouldn’t you vote for him?

Like I said in 93, I don't like his read on Billy.
I feel like being on the bak wagon is the better move ATM.

I am testing reactions

this post actually gives off town vibes to me tbh, i can elaborate on this if someone wants (ps im not really good at articulation

What changed?

Well, my initial read was based on just a single post, so it was as weak as it could get
It followed a bunch of wrong premises so it doesn't mean anything anymore.

[Facebones]

By constantly checking if a play is more likely a result from that mindset than a townie mindset, I guess?
For example padwag

and bakslash

have both hit high notes, I'll talk about that.

You proceed to talk about and vote for padwag, completely ignoring bakslash. Then Italiano comes in and votes for bakslash and 25 minutes later you jump on board

I think padwag is scummier but I'll do bak for now.

VOTE: bakslash
That's E-2

Mini asks you why, and you say

I'm curious to see his response/reaction

which is a bit of a nothing answer.

Could you please expand more on post 93? More specifically, what high notes has bakslash apparently hit? The lack of content isn't enough to give me a strong read one way or the other and I'm curious as to what I'm missing

[Rockhopper]

By constantly checking if a play is more likely a result from that mindset than a townie mindset, I guess?
For example padwag

and bakslash

have both hit high notes, I'll talk about that.

You proceed to talk about and vote for padwag, completely ignoring bakslash. Then Italiano comes in and votes for bakslash and 25 minutes later you jump on board

I think padwag is scummier but I'll do bak for now.

VOTE: bakslash
That's E-2

Mini asks you why, and you say

I'm curious to see his response/reaction

which is a bit of a nothing answer.

My bad, I should have elaborated earlier.
I feel like it's much more stressful to be at E-2 than at E-4, and as a result I expect scum to handle the situation differently (best case).
Else, if I'm satisfied, I'll just go back to putting pressure on padwag instead (that can wait).

Could you please expand more on post 93? More specifically, what high notes has bakslash apparently hit? The lack of content isn't enough to give me a strong read one way or the other and I'm curious as to what I'm missing

I have nothing more to add actually. I just find it scummy that he questioned pad's vote on him but ignored Mini's and Billy's votes.

[ItalianoVD]

Billy RVS votes Dunnstral, which is fine. Votes padwag in 22 for voting RVS. Kinda unfair imo, but then flips it in 23, which I’m guessing pulled us/him out of RVS. I asked him what was on his mind regarding this in 60 (more on that later)

If padwag was RVS voting and claimed to be testing reactions (which is the purpose of RVS) seems like Billy should have just let it go. RVS votes don’t always need an explanation before placing it down.

Not sure what he was expecting to get in 79. Looks to be asking just to ask. 80 is similar where it doesn’t seem that padwag’s answer(s) would give him anything of substance. 81 and 82 follow the same theme.

88 is just unfair, given that Billy voted for someone who hadn’t posted yet (Dunnstral)

I also feel Billy is trying to pocket (get them on his side) possible newbie townies in 83 and 85.

In the back of my mind Billy is scum and will probably and ultimately be my final vote of the day, but we have time for more interactions and activity.

[ItalianoVD]

VOTE: padwag

Actually no, this was worse

VOTE: bakslash

Not sure where your head is on this? RVS? Serious?

I dont understand the question. I dont approach these games as though there's some magical point where the game shifts from RVS to serious. Theres a wiki thread I think that talks about the early game as the Low Information stage. I like to think of it that way.

Okay? Not sure why you don’t understand. I was asking if these votes were RVS votes or serious ones? I assumed your bakslash one was based on the wording, but I just wanted to make sure. My bad if I didn’t make it clear.

I started with my role and alignment, and I voted randomly. When I made those votes, I had a page of content and most folks had popped into the thread. So I picked the opening that I felt was the most scummy and voted it. I thought padwag's vote was fine,

but the answer to the question was weird.

How was it weird? Isn’t that what RVS’ purpose is? Reactions?

But then I realized that bakslash hadnt posted already. Their first post in the game was literally to quote padwag's naked vote and put a question mark. Didn't engage with any of the content that was there, just put a weird question out.

That’s all fine. Thank you.

[Norfolk Boy1]

And where did that get you?

Haha, I was the runner up in that game.

[ItalianoVD]

VOTE: padwag

I think padwag is scummier but I'll do bak for now.

VOTE: bakslash
That's E-2

Why do you think Padwag is scummy? And like Mini said, if you think he’s scummier, why wouldn’t you vote for him?

Like I said in 93, I don't like his read on Billy.
I feel like being on the bak wagon is the better move ATM.

And I’m guessing you townread Billy? Still don’t know why that’s a thing: not voting for your highest scumread. And it just seems like you’re taking an opportunity to get a wagon closer to elimination. You slightly mentioned bakslash, but never scumread him, so it just seems like opportunism at the moment.

I am testing reactions

this post actually gives off town vibes to me tbh, i can elaborate on this if someone wants (ps im not really good at articulation

What changed?

Well, my initial read was based on just a single post, so it was as weak as it could get
It followed a bunch of wrong premises so it doesn't mean anything anymore.

I have a problem with your current read on padwag given there is/was no content to make you change. If he did something you townread him for, why are you now scumreading him for doing the same thing? And I disagree, I think it does mean something, but you brushing it off isn’t gonna make me go away.

[Rockhopper]

VOTE: padwag

I think padwag is scummier but I'll do bak for now.

VOTE: bakslash
That's E-2

Why do you think Padwag is scummy? And like Mini said, if you think he’s scummier, why wouldn’t you vote for him?

Like I said in 93, I don't like his read on Billy.
I feel like being on the bak wagon is the better move ATM.

And I’m guessing you townread Billy? Still don’t know why that’s a thing: not voting for your highest scumread. And it just seems like you’re taking an opportunity to get a wagon closer to elimination. You slightly mentioned bakslash, but never scumread him, so it just seems like opportunism at the moment.

I don't have a read on Billy yet, but I'll take a look at your arguments.

But isn't it strange that he only chose to question the vote on him, and not Mini's or Billy's?
The defensive nature kinda points to the survival aspect of a scum mindset, IMO.

This part was WRT bakslash, I did have a scumread on him.

I am testing reactions

this post actually gives off town vibes to me tbh, i can elaborate on this if someone wants (ps im not really good at articulation

What changed?

Well, my initial read was based on just a single post, so it was as weak as it could get
It followed a bunch of wrong premises so it doesn't mean anything anymore.

I have a problem with your current read on padwag given there is/was no content to make you change. If he did something you townread him for, why are you now scumreading him for doing the same thing? And I disagree, I think it does mean something, but you brushing it off isn’t gonna make me go away.

Fine, but know that I realized it was an incorrect line of thought.
When padwag posted 21, I assumed he had no knowledge of RVS, in which case it would have been bold to throw out a vote to avoid unwanted consequences (- scum). I would've expected scum padwag to blatantly point to RVS (seeing this was the reason for a previous vote) as an attempt to blend in, which didn't happen. Therefore slight town...

My recent scumread on him is based off of different premises.

[padwag]

Padwag any chance you could please set an avatar? Just makes it easier to identify your posts

I don't really know how.

[Bakslash]

The reason I haven't talked much is because I'm new and I don't know how to contribute to a conversation too much since I'm not familiar with the website. I understand the bandwagon on me and I'm posting this to defend myself.

[Bakslash]

The reason I haven't talked much is because I'm new and I don't know how to contribute to a conversation too much since I'm not familiar with the website. I understand the bandwagon on me and I'm posting this to defend myself.

[Bakslash]

My bad for posting twice

[padwag]

I am testing reactions

What did you make of the reactions?

I like the way rockhopper is thinking in Post 93. To me, it feels like it was written from a townie perspective. I also find it interesting that italiano chose to join me on the lynch, but I wont know what that would mean unless one of them flips.

[padwag]

Bakslash, what are your thoughts on the game so far?

[Bakslash]

Bakslash, what are your thoughts on the game so far?

Well we're still on Day 1 so I don't think there is that much to say.

[MiniMegabyte]

Like I said in 93, I don't like his read on Billy

Why exactly?

[MiniMegabyte]

Padwag any chance you could please set an avatar? Just makes it easier to identify your posts

I don't really know how.

Up the top left of the screen next to the private messages there is “user control panel”. Click on that and then click on the tab that says profile and scroll down until you see edit avatar.


Let me know if you need me to explain clearer

[Billy Pilgrim]

Non answers get scumread.

Smooth. It seems like you're pretty experienced at manipulating people to do what you want them to do?

Can you explain the first part here?

It was said purely tongue in cheek

This isn't the part I was referring to. I was referring to the part where you said you didn't want to get scumread so you would answer. Can you please explain that?