Death Curse

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

gottem

[Adorable]

Oh this will be fun.

I like Mushy's tone, and that coupled with reports he could not have this kind of performance as scum puts him down as town for me. I like the way he's gone about defending Norra better than tayl0r did, but I may be getting a little confirm biased since I think in general Mush looks better than tayl0r.

I know I've just been going with the flow, but here's some of my hot takes. I don't understand all the tip toeing, this isn't like a normal setup where town has to stop talking once we flip someone. There's still scenarios where Noraa flips town and I'd rather have time after that first Noraa "flip" and after we have more info to come to a decision about flips 2 and 3. Also this is like the most fun setup to get miselimed in so I don't really understand why town Noraa would be so upset, but whatever. I think odds of hitting 2 scum day 1 are higher if we flip Noraa scum and get LLD confirmed early than if we try to go backdoor, and I think if we flip 2 scum today we win outright. I don't think town Noraa venges LLD out of spite. If this is town Noraa I want to know sooner rather than later.

I think the attitude I'm going to take is "I will work with Noraa, but under the pretense she is dying today." So a win either way. I agree that town!Noraa probably doesn't venge LLD out of spite, or at least I'd certainly hope so.

I have read 20 pages since from where I last left off and I still haven't fully caught up. I'm still scum reading Noraa and I'm also scum reading Unowen because once when Noraa started to get defensive and all those votes piled up on her, Unowen says the wagon on Noraa looks promising and then randomly shaded me about my vote on Noraa which looked sus.

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Ah yes, I knew that my vote against Noraa would lead to good things.
The wagon looks promising, Noraa's reaction to the pressure has indeed been flaily.
Adorable's vote was not great.

I do not find this post scummy if you assume Noraa to be scum. Are you saying one of the two is scum, or that they are scum together for this?

I'm scum reading both Noraa and Unowen. Unowen said Noraa's wagon looked promising and then randomly mentions my vote which looked like he knows something about Noraa's alignment. Sometimes scum will link a scum buddy to a town player and this was the vibe I was getting from Unowen.

[Bell]

Yeah, but I'd have serious difficulty directing that rage at a player in the game just hunting about. But I already said I found the Noraa line of defense odd.
I just don't find the rest of her approach odd enough to make up for the fact that there's more in her ISO that looks right than wrong.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

shes doing it to justify passing the scroll to LLD

[Bell]

She doesn't need a justification when she's dead.

[Bell]

That's the beauty of it.
Weren't you saying earlier how weird it was that Noraa was resisting being NK when there's a sweet, sweet temptation to give somebody what is coming to them?
Instead she just kind of like," not only am I going to get miseliminated I'm also going to get embarrassed when I blow it. "

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

later she says she wants to pass it to lld even though she thinks lld is town.

[Bell]

Damning stuff.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

she does need to justify it because if she passes it to LLD while tring LLD then she is admitting she is scum, this gives LLD more info to hit a scum with on 3rd pass.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

her justification for hitting LLD was that LLD is "anti-town" town lol

[Bell]

I for one have never thought an anti-town thought in my life.

Eh, not good enough of a reason to spend that much effort on justifying yourself. Town's not particularly good at identifying scum even with that extra tidbit of infornation.

[shellyc]

I'm specifically interested in the following players giving me a Hopkirk read especially.

UNOwen
Bell
Zdenek
Shelly
Adorable
Theta
Lapsa

These people, please read Hopkirk and give me a read. "Null" is not a read unless you can justify it real well, please. I want you to lean TOWN or SCUM essentially "would you kill Hopkirk?"

I've already given my read there.

Hopkirk is town for being investigative with noraa, and their opposedness towards zdeneks leashing doesn't come from scum imo, because leashing is proscum

[shellyc]

has Noraa been hammered yet?

this thread has really blown up

[Bell]

No and I think she's town and there are better people to hand the scroll to.

[Bell]

If we have to do 30 extra pages of arguments. I'm up for it strangely enough.

[shellyc]

No and I think she's town and there are better people to hand the scroll to.

explain the flailing fake townslip and overdefensiveness and fakesolving

we're not flipping anyone else sorry

[MUSHSHAGANA]

Watching this from the outside is fascinating. It is literally exactly like I described: Pooky is the little voice in your ear, whispering that you should do it, go on, no one will mind, just, just do it, go, do it right now. There's just this chain of rationalizations ... Everyone else has settled with regards to Noraa, if someone disagrees they shrug and drop it. The conclusion is foregone, there is no point trying to get converts for either side now. But Pooky is working on Bell still, toiling away, providing rationalizations without providing arguments to prop them up.

I'm sure it's pointless, but I'd like to have LLD revisit her, Bell and Pooky's combined ISO and spot how it looks. It's alarming, really.

Oh, I guess all of this means I'm townreading Bell for the time being. Thanks for tightening up my townbloc, red team!

[MUSHSHAGANA]

Oh no, Shelly's doing it. Am I going to finally catch Shelly being scum? Or is there something I've missed somehow?

[Bell]

Flailing isn't a scum tell. Over defensiveness isn't a scum tell. OMGUS isn't a scum tell etc.
You thinking it is, is just amateur hour. Noraa might be scum but if she is she's scum for how she defended herself, not because of it.

[Tayl0r Swift]

im 95% confident in saying that pooky is scum and isis is town here.

[Bell]

Show me the fake solving.

[shellyc]

Oh no, Shelly's doing it. Am I going to finally catch Shelly being scum? Or is there something I've missed somehow?

your scumdar is broken, again

I don't get how wanting to flip noraa is a scumtell in all fairness
im trying to divert attention to bell in fact by having this interaction so I can sort them

[shellyc]

Show me the fake solving.

noraa SR'd gloria for not providing content yet, and leaves alone the whatever slots that are lurking, and makes a full readslist with so much confidence, it's probably tmi

[Bell]

Has thee been any fake solving since that point or is it just the one post?

Which parts of it looked like fake solving?

[shellyc]

Has thee been any fake solving since that point or is it just the one post?

Which parts of it looked like fake solving?

I cannot quote right now because I'm on mobile, but the time where LLD pressed hard noraa threw out a gigantic readslist and SR'd me/adorable for tiny reasons and they did it again with gloria
which is making something out of nothing
which is a scumtell because scum need to achieve miselims