Death Curse

[Bell]

You saw the big readslist, but did you read the big reads list.

What's the difference between a big reason and a tiny reason?

[MUSHSHAGANA]

Wanting to flip Noraa isn't a scumtell. But there's very few people are making anything of that desire left, because there is no way Noraa doesn't get cursed today. Noraa is inevitably and inescapably doomed.

...But here you are, with Pooky, treating it as if it's vitally important to hit Noraa right now or you might not have enough people somehow or something I don't know it's ridiculous. It'd be different if you were on Bell's side, but you're getting what you want regardless here. If nothing changes Noraa still goes down. /Bell/ has reason to try and play the proselytizer, but /you/ don't, and /Pooky/ doesn't. So what gives? Why are exactly two people acting as if the foregone conclusion is in danger?

[shellyc]

Wanting to flip Noraa isn't a scumtell. But there's very few people are making anything of that desire left, because there is no way Noraa doesn't get cursed today. Noraa is inevitably and inescapably doomed.

...But here you are, with Pooky, treating it as if it's vitally important to hit Noraa right now or you might not have enough people somehow or something I don't know it's ridiculous. It'd be different if you were on Bell's side, but you're getting what you want regardless here. If nothing changes Noraa still goes down. /Bell/ has reason to try and play the proselytizer, but /you/ don't, and /Pooky/ doesn't. So what gives? Why are exactly two people acting as if the foregone conclusion is in danger?

mush you play like mastina or something
it's not a danger

Bell TR'd Noraa
I want to know why Bell TR'd noraa
I say the reasons that noraa is scum
through this I infer bell's alignment
it's using scum!noraa case to sort others

[shellyc]

What's the difference between a big reason and a tiny reason?

lazy reasons to scumread people are bad because they're weak and a large means there will easily be wagon sheepers, thus making a bad wagon
weak logic is bad anyways
do you think "lurking" is a very good reason to SR someone

[Bell]

I think it's a good reason to pretend to :3
Also, statistically they're more likely to be scum than random.

[MUSHSHAGANA]

That isn't what I saw happening. I saw Bell mention he changed his mind on Noraa. Pooky immediately starts telling Bell the wonders of Curse-Noraa-Now-ology, and halfway through you jump in with both feet to contribute.

Pooky was not trying to sort Bell. Pooky was evangelizing. The timing and wording you use indicate the same -- you didn't /ask questions/, you /made statements/. Arguably your request for explanation could be taken at face value, but given the target has absolutely flatly refused to megapost, the broad scope of the request, and you had left NO room for your mind to change at all, I think anyone would be safe in dismissing that as exaggerated, sarcastic "yeah sure let's see you change my mind" sort of wording.

I'm not a complete idiot, Shelly.

[Bell]

It's probably one of the only valid reasons. Because empiricism simply works. Unlike a lot of other methods.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Pooky immediately starts telling Bell the wonders of Curse-Noraa-Now-ology

lolol

[shellyc]

The timing and wording you use indicate the same -- you didn't /ask questions/, you /made statements/. Arguably your request for explanation could be taken at face value, but given the target has absolutely flatly refused to megapost, the broad scope of the request, and you had left NO room for your mind to change at all, I think anyone would be safe in dismissing that as exaggerated, sarcastic "yeah sure let's see you change my mind" sort of wording.

I'm not a complete idiot, Shelly.

I like making statements you got a problem with that
sr for personality = bad


Bell makes reads. They don't megapost but when they're town they DO obvtown.
How are you supposed to know whether I left space in my mind, do you have access to my notes pt

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm not a complete idiot

you are really funny tho

A+

[Bell]

Ad hom.

[shellyc]

fine I will spell out all my mental trajectories

No and I think she's town and there are better people to hand the scroll to.

explain the flailing fake townslip and overdefensiveness and fakesolving

we're not flipping anyone else sorry

asks bell to explain how my scumtells are indicative of a town noraa

Show me the fake solving.

noraa SR'd gloria for not providing content yet, and leaves alone the whatever slots that are lurking, and makes a full readslist with so much confidence, it's probably tmi

bell told me to show the fake solving, i respond, and also know that bell now has an interest in hearing what I say -> they're actually having a response to PRESSURE in particular, not just flailing throughout

Has thee been any fake solving since that point or is it just the one post?

Which parts of it looked like fake solving?

I cannot quote right now because I'm on mobile, but the time where LLD pressed hard noraa threw out a gigantic readslist and SR'd me/adorable for tiny reasons and they did it again with gloria
which is making something out of nothing
which is a scumtell because scum need to achieve miselims

I tell Bell what I see in Noraa and they follow up with questions finding out what I think, which is +town indicative of a solving mindset

What's the difference between a big reason and a tiny reason?

lazy reasons to scumread people are bad because they're weak and a large means there will easily be wagon sheepers, thus making a bad wagon
weak logic is bad anyways
do you think "lurking" is a very good reason to SR someone

I point out where exactly noraa is making weak arguments and the ramifications of that, and Bell and I have an conversation making me able to sort Bell, because what Bell is doing here is having an investigative, proactive mindset by prodding me to answer their questions, thus I am now less lockscum on Bell, the end.

[MUSHSHAGANA]

I said for your mind to change, not in your mind to change. One is rhetorical, the other is psychological, and rhetorically your wording said "don't argue with me, there's no point, you can't convince me of anything here."

Also, I haven't called you scum yet. Tricky things, those words. I'll give you a cookie if you can find an example of me definitely calling you scum here, mostly I promise this because it doesn't exist, I checked.

I am concerned by your play, Shelly, because you say you're sorting but you act like you're evangelizing, and the two aren't compatible. I want you to explain how one and the other connect. I believe you can explain that for me quite easily, presuming there is a connection at all.


PEDIT: First one ends with flat denial. As stated: "rhetorically your wording said "don't argue with me, there's no point, you can't convince me of anything here.""

Second, okay fair I give you this, sure whatever.

Third is ugly. Slim reasoning for calling something a scumtell and it's more baldfaced assertion than anything useful for getting reads from.

Fourth, you actually ask a question and your posting style changes. You're talking around the subject and centering Bell, the person you're supposedly reading finally -- after I called you out. Hmm, timing's a funny thing, ain't it.

[MUSHSHAGANA]

The above post is crap and I rescind it. Never post on hypoglycemia, kids.

[Tayl0r Swift]

dont worry it was too long so i didnt read it anyway

[MUSHSHAGANA]

That's just rude. Tell me your reasoning to scumread Pooky as penance.

[Tayl0r Swift]

pooky is a strange one to read. i think the best, perhaps the only way to read pooky is by ignoring most of the words pooky says, and instead look at what pooky is trying to say, and gaze into pooky's soul. in this case my read isnt so much based on specific posts pooky made, but the way pooky has oriented himself in the thread.

1. pooky is canadian. canadians are scum
2. pooky is being more aggressive than town!pooky ever is
3. there are some interactions i would expect from town!pooky that im not seeing
4. pooky is not scumhunting, but is being manipulative, and has attached himself to the hip of the self proclaimed town leader (and fellow canadian, see point 1 above).

[MUSHSHAGANA]

Can I get some more insight on point 3? What sort of stuff should I be looking out for?

For my part, one point against Pooky being town is that Pooky is always "rhetorically" on the attack. Pooky is never explaining themselves or being approached by another player, and they deflect or ignore all of my criticism in a way that feels forced. I'm not sure how much of that is Pooky play and how much of that is this player list and how much of that is scum play, you're probably the only window into this for me.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i am not Canadian

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ok sure mush I'll respond to some of your nonsense

[Bell]

I was just gunna throw the scroll at pooky and throw my computer out the window before LLD could kill me.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

But here you are, with Pooky, treating it as if it's vitally important to hit Noraa right now or you might not have enough people somehow or something I don't know it's ridiculous.

Pooky immediately starts telling Bell the wonders of Curse-Noraa-Now-ology

I am not in the Noraa-dies-now camp - see 1045 1053 1056 1058 1062 1222 1223 1226


I am literally the first person to unvote noraa and say we should save her for last.

I have repeatedly pointed to the upside of this approach.

You shading me as a "kill noraa now person" is ridiculous because it is not reality.

[VaultDweller]

I didn't expect this game to be so fast-paced. I honestly can't keep up. I see the noraa wagon dissipated. Why? Who is/are the new wagon/s?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

noraa said she was going to throw the scroll at LLD because she thinks LLD is "anti-town" town so we decided to look for somebody new and give Noraa the scroll 3rd.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

pooky is a strange one to read. i think the best, perhaps the only way to read pooky is by ignoring most of the words pooky says, and instead look at what pooky is trying to say, and gaze into pooky's soul. in this case my read isnt so much based on specific posts pooky made, but the way pooky has oriented himself in the thread.

1. pooky is canadian. canadians are scum
2. pooky is being more aggressive than town!pooky ever is
3. there are some interactions i would expect from town!pooky that im not seeing
4. pooky is not scumhunting, but is being manipulative, and has attached himself to the hip of the self proclaimed town leader (and fellow canadian, see point 1 above).

stop trolling