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Quick question, once someone gets the scroll, I HOPE were still going to all vote (even if its unofficial) for the next person to get it.
It really only seems more advantageous for the scum to not talk and just kill someone.
Or is the game paused when the scroll is handed out?- shellyc
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I liked that reads list but I reread UNO's ISO and it feeeeeeels like bussing imo
like the points where UNO basically just headlines that "I've been SRing Noraa! Give me TOWNCRED!" doesn't sit right with me at all"I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes" - Hectic
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LLD is town, but I've noticed that essentially none of her posts can be reduced down to 'gr I'm angry' rather than any meaningful content.
UpsidesIn post 790, UNOwen wrote:
Right but if Noraa is correct that she did not mention setup in discord, does that make her more likely to be town?In post 768, shellyc wrote:hectic is a rather boring moddon't modkill me
an investigative mindset leans town though, it's not making something out of nothing, it's quite clearly a solving mindset
It doesn't seem like a useful line of inquiry, because I already presumed she had not mentioned setup.
IF Nora town - full picture of the situation reduces odds of misunderstanding
IF Nora scum - they can easily get caught out in a direct lie here
Either way - any interaction with Noraa helps inform our reads on the slot.
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I really don't understand how LL's mental image of Noraa would be 'Someone who'll do something they said earlier on, definitely not changing their mind or being annoyed with the game at all since then, definitely not chaotic or emotional as a player'.In post 878, Noraa wrote:
incorrect. I said there were two possibilities and I will not be forced to choose one. I will choose for myself. Don't worry stop screaming I think ur a town that's way over your head. I suggest you tone it down otherwise its gonna look really nasty tomorrow after a green flip on my end.In post 857, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:I want to do Noraa because Noraa has CLAIMED SHE WILL HAND TO ADORABLE.There's no reaching. I've become enlightened.- UNOwen
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I know, that is why it is "night kill" instead of night kill. What I mean is a scum directed kill, which they can do if we catch scum first or second and they feel no pressure to remain pretending.In post 1399, shellyc wrote:scum do not have a nightkill
the only way to get a nightkill is to sacrifice one of their members
thus in here they will have to give more effort to shade consensus TRs so they can miselim them at some point- shellyc
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no, leashing is bad because that hands some control to scum if the scroll in town handsIn post 1401, Vaxkiller wrote:Quick question, once someone gets the scroll, I HOPE were still going to all vote (even if its unofficial) for the next person to get it.
It really only seems more advantageous for the scum to not talk and just kill someone.
Or is the game paused when the scroll is handed out?"I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes" - Hectic
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yeahIn post 1404, UNOwen wrote:I know, that is why it is "night kill" instead of night kill. What I mean is a scum directed kill, which they can do if we catch scum first or second and they feel no pressure to remain pretending.
so I was referring to shady/discrediting reads towards consensus TRs
I found you"I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes" - Hectic
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because I'm scum reading Bell hard (and still am)In post 1400, UNOwen wrote:Yo Bell, why are you voting shelly?
UNO take a look at Bell's ISO tell me what you think"I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes" - Hectic
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wait I asked you about this already and you said rl issues and don't want to read them
still I wanna tell you that bell is in essence omgussing here"I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes" - Hectic
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Oh right I thought you were replying to my post. Nevermind.In post 1406, shellyc wrote: yeah
so I was referring to shady/discrediting reads towards consensus TRs
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We will talk but ultimately it is up to the person otherwise scum can potentially have too much influenceIn post 1401, Vaxkiller wrote:Quick question, once someone gets the scroll, I HOPE were still going to all vote (even if its unofficial) for the next person to get it.
It really only seems more advantageous for the scum to not talk and just kill someone.- shellyc
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idk I feel UNO is a player who I cant reeeeally get a grip on
there are posts shading Pooky (who I TR)
there are bussing Noraa posts in that iso
I think town!UNO has that "wow" factor from what I've seen of them and I haven't got that yet"I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes" - Hectic
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town!UNO is proactiveness, a genuine spiritual interest in solving snd I don't get that *yet*
but at the same time UNO doesn't really townspew early on
I might be rambling here but tl;dr UNO's in the red zone"I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes" - Hectic
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Hmmm, I was thinking more along the lines of we get scum, they will do everything in their power to NOT kill another scum, we could get soem good intel from that. I would at LEAST prefer no hipshots and a good reads lists.In post 1405, shellyc wrote:
no, leashing is bad because that hands some control to scum if the scroll in town handsIn post 1401, Vaxkiller wrote:Quick question, once someone gets the scroll, I HOPE were still going to all vote (even if its unofficial) for the next person to get it.
It really only seems more advantageous for the scum to not talk and just kill someone.
Or is the game paused when the scroll is handed out?- Nero Cain
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Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Is an awesome and probably undeserved description of my play. Do not worry, I have faith you will change your mind eventually.In post 1411, shellyc wrote:idk I feel UNO is a player who I cant reeeeally get a grip on
there are posts shading Pooky (who I TR)
there are bussing Noraa posts in that iso
I think town!UNO has that "wow" factor from what I've seen of them and I haven't got that yet
I feel you are misreading my reply to MUSH if you think I was attempting to claim credit or whatever though, I was just joking about the fact that my ISO at that point was indeed lazy.- shellyc
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why wouldn't scum just insta-kill a townie then to limit discussionIn post 1413, Vaxkiller wrote:Hmmm, I was thinking more along the lines of we get scum, they will do everything in their power to NOT kill another scum, we could get soem good intel from that. I would at LEAST prefer no hipshots and a good reads lists."I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes" - Hectic
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hmmmmmmmIn post 1415, UNOwen wrote:I feel you are misreading my reply to MUSH if you think I was attempting to claim credit or whatever though, I was just joking about the fact that my ISO at that point was indeed lazy.
oh and I also have a terrible sense of humour
so yeah. uno is in red zone. but less so. I think 1415 comes from town more than scum. a defiant tone towards someone who is wrongly scum reading you is hard to fake as scum, because scum know the person pushing them is being correct"I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes" - Hectic
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That's pretty much how I read LLD in a nutshell.In post 1403, Hopkirk wrote:LLD is town, but I've noticed that essentially none of her posts can be reduced down to 'gr I'm angry' rather than any meaningful content.
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Did you feel there was a misunderstanding from either Noraa or LLD?In post 1403, Hopkirk wrote: Upsides
IF Nora town - full picture of the situation reduces odds of misunderstanding
IF Nora scum - they can easily get caught out in a direct lie here
Either way - any interaction with Noraa helps inform our reads on the slot.
No downsides- Vaxkiller
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vax entrance was rather consensus-y not sure if I like that + their pred was the null isis
Idk I feel like there are scum in the lurker zone given how much I TR much of the rather active players
now gunna reread pooky-taylor"I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes" - Hectic
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I don't follow. Are you saying that as town you wouldn't read the OP, but as scum (you still wouldn't read the OP but) would know how many scum there were and not ask the question that town you always would?In post 900, Noraa wrote:I asked how many scums there are. If I was scum, I would literally just be like ok so with 4 scums here, blah blah blah. Do you really think that's not a more convincing town slip?
I don't get the logic unless you're saying you plan to use trust tells in a really dumb way that hurts your win rate more than it helps it.
Bad postIn post 940, Theta Alpine wrote:
then give noraa the chance to do it by taking the pressure off of her and starting a wagon on someone elseIn post 928, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Give me shit to work with so if you DO flip town, it's information for us.
if noraa is town this gives her the chance to contribute without feeling pressured to defend herself
if noraa is scum she is going to die today regardless
and it gives us the chance to get more interactions with a wagon on someone who is not already doomed
This is really bad phrasing. The last part feels like a lamist mediator talking words and ignoring why Noraa isn't working with us. Like if Noraa is town here in what world does she respond positiviely to 'work with us' and nothing else? In worlds of scum Noraa it doesn't matter sure, but if you care about the say 10% chance town Noraa (guessing your priors here) then this is a spaghetti weak appeal with only limpyness behind it.In post 986, MURDERCAT wrote:Sometimes, as town, you just have to eat a death. This includes a miselim. Even on D1. By fighting it so hard you make yourself look worse Noraa.
I'm 50/50 on whether you are purposefully doing it as scum because you want to avoid real conversations or if you are just playing to live instead of playing the optimal way to win as town.
But we have to eliminate you because there's too many SRs. So if are town please work with us now.
This doesn't happen because scum LL pushing town Noraa this far would give odds Noraa rage shoots LL much higher than any town benefits they'd get out of it imo.In post 1014, MURDERCAT wrote:The best timeline here is Noraa town passes to scum LLD and is lauded for the big brain play
My problem is that scum-you threatens to shoot a strong townread here in an attempt to try and get us to say 'let's hit Noraa with the third shot instead of first'. It's essentially light blackmail, and it's a bad look for you either way.In post 1024, Noraa wrote:My reasons:
Considering she can push this hard, she is 100% a threat to town. I did mess up some but I don't believe at all that she's willing to reconsider even for a second. She is way over herself and squashes all other opinions. I will bring her down with me to prevent town from having this absolute domineering player that is, as far as I'm concerned, pushing in 100% the WRONG places. She is not helping town and is so fucking frustrating to work with. I do not think town benefits from her reads and presence AT ALL. Perhaps this is hypocritical coming from me considering my playstyle also sucks ass but I mean in the end, its beneficial for town cuz we get basically two policy lims.
I think you're really overestimating LL's voice in the game btw. To me she's literally just sorted noise that I've chucked in the townbin and don't really care about. If you're town then how about literally not responding to, reading, or commenting on anything else LL says today, accepting she's probably town, and trying to find some more townreads. Imo, townblocking+POE is the best D1 strat. Good odds for the POE shoots beat out good scumreads unless there's a major skill disparity btw scum/town.
Atm I can't see any serious townreads from you or any attempt to look at your wagon. Sure, you could be 'legitimately annoyed', but can you also see why we'd all have a problem with that response since scum you really doesn't want to give out associative here, while town you has incentive to be trying to engage outside the black hole LL essentially is to you?There's no reaching. I've become enlightened.- Vaxkiller
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I take this back. LLD hasnt really been pushed enough for me to get the best read on her.In post 1418, Vaxkiller wrote:
That's pretty much how I read LLD in a nutshell.In post 1403, Hopkirk wrote:LLD is town, but I've noticed that essentially none of her posts can be reduced down to 'gr I'm angry' rather than any meaningful content.
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