Mini Theme 2161: Undertale C Open - Chara's Folly

[Morning Tweet]

As scum I wouldn't clear Lavender btw. Instead of Lavender I would clear Krazy and push the Lavender flip for game.

Why the fuck would you clear Kraz-

Why would I make the game deliberately harder for myself as scum?
Because I'm retarded and do that sometimes

Okay sure I believe it

[Krazy]

I feel like I've abstractly explained why pooky is scum but I still kinda don't want to believe it because back on day 2 I just felt like I was vibing with him

But I kinda feel like the game at least kinda makes sense if he's scum. I guess this is where I'm at right now anyway.

HURT: Pooky

[Krazy]

oh yeah I was thinking there was no risk of tanner speed hammering but I guess I should remind lavender that that is l1 and she should probably check in with tanner before voting at this point

[Tanner]

i have an incredible urge to speed hammer that but there are still some things i wanna ask so uhh be back in a bit

[Alisae]

i have an incredible urge to speed hammer that but there are still some things i wanna ask so uhh be back in a bit

[Tanner]

Beyond that I'm not sure I agree you were the main pusher on Hectic? Wasn't that more Pooky? In any case I didn't really think your approach to Hectic that day was scummy.

err, phrased that poorly, my bad. i meant "you had two scumreads, hectic and tanner. hectic flipped green. then the next day you had tanner leading the nacho wagon. why were you okay (4104) with that wagon going through?"

It actually feels somewhat important to me Tanner was spared. Had Tanner not been spared, you'd still have Krazy pushing for that elimination. Sounds useful to have him distracted unless your goal is to just to make sure Krazy dies. If you need Krazy to die, then you can include Tanner as a spare for increased odds. It makes Krazy look bad and Tanner is free to continue pushing there.

Why... why would scum!Krazy put himself through the extra stress of having to now deal with a one-sided 1v1 with Tanner?

one of the reasons i went "oh fuck me" when i saw the clears. while i don't think i was getting executed in this game, still, krazy vs tanner was going to be a distraction adding to pagecount. now i'm like, me being mech cleared obviously makes krazy look bad, no shit. but scum picked the clears.

which brings me to a second though, there's a running "joke" about how much i hate lylo and how poor of a track record i have in lylo as town. i even thought me getting leared made it more likely scum is someone who knows that, but ehh...

i agree that scum!krazy would have to be relying on ungodly levels of suicidal wifom at this point. is there a point to these paragraphs? i don't know. but you can't scumread me for them haha

Imo Tanner never actually had any chance of being eliminated, so Pooky would then be stuck with trying to eliminate Tanner or Morning after your death. I think he loses that.

To be fair though, you could say the same for Ali/Prism. But going for Ali/Prism just seems unexpected and paranoia-inducing, which I think makes going for em better.

i'm kinda vibing with this. like pooky clearing lavender/alisae leaves him with, what, eliminating krazy, then having to push me, who he's previously expressed a locktown read? objectively he's losing that 1v1. but why not spare lavender/tweet instead aaaAAAAaaaAAaAaA

Datisi has a good enough feel for my scum game.
I feel like they should know how differently I approach this game given the micro she recently just modded that I was scum in.

ok first of all, most of the things i remember from that game are me trying to not force replace half the playerlist

second, most of your arguments so far have been prism this prism that. like what part of your play here is so that i should be seeing glaring differences than in desperation day?

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the urge to lolhammer and hopefully fucking die and finally be released from this hell increases

[Alisae]

second, most of your arguments so far have been prism this prism that. like what part of your play here is so that i should be seeing glaring differences than in desperation day?

My lack of a plan and generally knowing what I want is telling

[Tanner]

ok i just kinda remembered two things.
(1) the reasons why i was suspecting lavender. towny slots voting them while there was a wagon on scum building. why was scum never voting them?
(2) a flash in my mind of someone (probably krazy haha <3) calling me scum for piling on pooky at one point while elements wagon was building

so i kinda went back to check (2) and uhhh

ok so hear me out hear me out here

Fight Votecount 1.5

PookyTheMagicalBear -------

(1)

Hectic

Fight Votecount 1.6

PookyTheMagicalBear -------

(3)

Hectic

,

catboi

,

Tanner

at the time of 1.6, there was already a wagon forming on elements, puppy and chara. (i already cut it out but take my word for it)

now, i thought this was weird. all town wagon on pooky. i went ahead and skimmed what happened between these VCs.

both of these posts happened in between these two VCs.

fyi my elements vote is semi-serious now, it's more than sheeping chara (actually i think she made the point first and technically i voted first?) anyways, i think i have a decent reason for voting elements if you want to hear it (you want to hear it don't you squidward)

please do, I don't believe you.
HURT: puppy

Hectic - Town
Elements - Town
Chara - null
Prism - town
PookyTheMagicalBear - chara
catboi - town
Morning Tweet - town
Tayl0r Swift - eh
Lavender - who?
redtea - eh
Tanner - scum
CantLynchAPuppy - scum

elements called pooky scum, along with me and puppy. but he voted for puppy, not pooky. even though there was a wagon growing on pooky (both me and catboi already moved there)

million dollar question

why didn't he vote pooky here if pooky is town and there is a wagon forming on him and it would fit with his reads

[Alisae]

second, most of your arguments so far have been prism this prism that. like what part of your play here is so that i should be seeing glaring differences than in desperation day?

My lack of a plan and generally knowing what I want is telling

Also my play doesn't matter because prism had 800+ posts and if u think it does then its a lesson you'll have to learn the hard way

[Tanner]

at the time of 1.6, there was already a wagon forming on elements, puppy and chara. (i already cut it out but take my word for it)

what i mean is puppy and chara were voting elements you get it

someone tell me is this any meaningful i can't even tell anymore

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm town Datisi

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

second, most of your arguments so far have been prism this prism that. like what part of your play here is so that i should be seeing glaring differences than in desperation day?

My lack of a plan and generally knowing what I want is telling

Also my play doesn't matter because prism had 800+ posts and if u think it does then its a lesson you'll have to learn the hard way

whats 800+ posts supposed to mean?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

why didn't he vote pooky here if pooky is town and there is a wagon forming on him and it would fit with his reads

Do you really think I don't tell people to bus me if they r scum with me? I mean you've seen how I play scum with Aldus. Draw fire - repel -redirect is like scum 101 for me.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

it's like way easier to save a scum partner by taking the heat then turning it back on the weakest link in the wagon than openly defending.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

If I'm scum there and Ele-scum is floundering/dying, I absolutely get him to vote me, move myself into scummiest wagon, then when people r off of ele for long enough redirect and destroy either catboi or redtea.

I do not bus my own teammate instead.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i'm kinda vibing with this. like pooky clearing lavender/alisae leaves him with, what, eliminating krazy, then having to push me, who he's previously expressed a locktown read? objectively he's losing that 1v1. but why not spare lavender/tweet instead aaaAAAAaaaAAaAaA

If I'm scum I just leave Tanner/Krazy as unconfirmed because they will keep attacking each other.

The interactions between the town is more important than whether

I

can eliminate each person 1v1.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like is this even serious.

If I'm scum I'm 100% pub-copping Tweetie/Prism

leaves the Tanner/Krazy fight going where they never trust each other and Lavender is not even going to be around to defend herself and it's not clear in any way that the town bets the game on a perma-lurker.

[Tanner]

If I'm scum I just leave Tanner/Krazy as unconfirmed because they will keep attacking each other.

The interactions between the town is more important than whether I can eliminate each person 1v1.

doesn't this go for everyone other than krazy?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

yup

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

feel free to ask me about any part of the game that would help you figure out my actual alignment here tanner.

[Tanner]

*cries in bad at mafia*

this doesn't make sense. me being spared makes no sense. why would literally anyone other than krazy give up us screaming at each other. why does krazy do this to himself.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if u guys flip me here - its going from 50% ev to 33% ev. id kind of like to avoid that if possible. so you need to ask me whatever questions you need to clear me.

Think of yourself as being in skitter's seat in 960, except the stakes aren't as bad, and you're not skitter :3

[Tanner]

like is this even serious.

If I'm scum I'm 100% pub-copping Tweetie/Prism

leaves the Tanner/Krazy fight going where they never trust each other and Lavender is not even going to be around to defend herself and it's not clear in any way that the town bets the game on a perma-lurker.

i don't know if i buy this argument though. in tanner/pooky/lavender endgame, i force a 1v1 on you. not sure if there's any way you'd know that, though...

[Tanner]

so you need to ask me whatever questions you need to clear me.

my dude. if i knew what those questions were.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

my chances in a 1v1 with you are much better than with either tweetie or prism