Death Curse

[Tayl0r Swift]

Alright, I read the rules and the VCs.

My question is... why is the Noraa wagon so static without a counterwagon?

that was my question too! im learning, titus!

[UNOwen]

So effectively, we need to find two scums to end the day. Who is the consensus second? Have we been using HURT tags to indicate a preference?

There is no consensus second, and we have been doing nothing of that sort. It is expected that whichever town takes the scroll will not be listening to instruction, except for this phase where there appears to be consensus that Noraa should be one of the cursed.

[Titus]

If we are not doing Noraa first then I would lean more on Unowen is scum which was mentioned earlier. And also I wanted to add on #101 what Theta said are my thoughts exactly. On #680 it looked like Isis also had the same thoughts as me and Theta which makes me think Isis is also probably town with Theta. On #708 Unowen said Isis is suspicious and I would have assumed town Unowen would have picked up on what Theta was saying on #101 and would have also assumed Isis also picked up on this too and would have leaned town on Isis. This makes me think scum did not know town were asked to confirm that scum had daytalk.

I also saw somewhere that doing this t>s>t is bad and I'm assuming town would have to pass the scroll to a town read if the first scroll is handed to a town player.

you never pass the scroll to a townie on purpose. the use of the second scrollholder should be to give the scroll to people who are hard to sort. that way you sort the slot and if its town you lose nothing. but its never bad to give the scroll to scum.

Assuming Noraa does flip scum, then we should be passing to a consensus scumread to keep the chain moving.
Assuming Noraa flips town, then she should take a shot at the unreadables on her wagon to aim for the scum pushing her wagon.

That's supposing I'm still in favor of a Noraa flip after hearing the case.

[Titus]

So effectively, we need to find two scums to end the day. Who is the consensus second? Have we been using HURT tags to indicate a preference?

There is no consensus second, and we have been doing nothing of that sort. It is expected that whichever town takes the scroll will not be listening to instruction, except for this phase where there appears to be consensus that Noraa should be one of the cursed.

Why wouldn't we want the town who takes the scroll to have direction?

[Titus]

Alright, I read the rules and the VCs.

My question is... why is the Noraa wagon so static without a counterwagon?

that was my question too! im learning, titus!

Ok, you can be in my townbin for now. I'm a sucker for kissasses.

[MURDERCAT]

Those are usually the options. That's why I asked for the case on Noraa to determine which it was.

I would sum up the case as this:
- Noraa had what looked like a fake town slip early on about the number of scum there are in the game
- When pressured, Noraa went into LAMIST content generation mode
- Noraa talked about passing the scroll to LLD, who is widely town read, out of spite. This looks like a setup to make it seem as if the blatant town kill isn't actually coming from scum to keep some confusion going into the 3rd flip.

[UNOwen]

Why wouldn't we want the town who takes the scroll to have direction?

Direction yes, instruction no.

[Titus]

Those are usually the options. That's why I asked for the case on Noraa to determine which it was.

I would sum up the case as this:
- Noraa had what looked like a fake town slip early on about the number of scum there are in the game
- When pressured, Noraa went into LAMIST content generation mode
- Noraa talked about passing the scroll to LLD, who is widely town read, out of spite. This looks like a setup to make it seem as if the blatant town kill isn't actually coming from scum to keep some confusion going into the 3rd flip.

This sounds like Noraa is just an angry emotional player. I'd be run up half my games with this standard. Do you not believe the case?

[Titus]

Why wouldn't we want the town who takes the scroll to have direction?

Direction yes, instruction no.

Why? It's not like there's a mob doctor.

[MURDERCAT]

This sounds like Noraa is just an angry emotional player. I'd be run up half my games with this standard. Do you not believe the case?

I'm currently at about 70% chance of Noraa scum. The problem is that Noraa is an emotional player and did have a very strong emotional reaction. But I also respect her scum game enough to believe that she would use that in her favor and she recently said that she fakes townslips in all her scum games.

[UNOwen]

Why? It's not like there's a mob doctor.

Because most people will want to have some degree of autonomy over their venge-kill.

[Titus]

she recently said that she fakes townslips in all her scum games.

Where is this?

[MURDERCAT]

because you said in the postgame here:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12236870

that you fake townslips as scum, and

Isis are you allowed to tell us how many scum there are?

looks like a faked townslip.

I don't really believe you didn't read the first page of the setup and dont know how many scum there are.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

isis would not have replaced out of this game had she been scum. i know its a bit unfair to use that argument, but its true.

ok you can explain this since Hectic says its ok.

Show me how Isis rep-out = Isis-Town.

[Titus]

Why? It's not like there's a mob doctor.

Because most people will want to have some degree of autonomy over their venge-kill.

Fair enough. Enjoyment over objectively good approach.

In the future, I'd still love to see hurt tags as a secondary vote.

[MURDERCAT]

In the future, I'd still love to see hurt tags as a secondary vote.

We have been avoiding this to avoid giving scum info about who to kill, as they can choose townies who won't kill them. Whether or not you agree with that approach.

[Titus]

because you said in the postgame here:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12236870

that you fake townslips as scum, and

Isis are you allowed to tell us how many scum there are?

looks like a faked townslip.

I don't really believe you didn't read the first page of the setup and dont know how many scum there are.

I want to vote Noraa after that, but I don't want to end the day. I'm not a big fan of meta usually but when it's self prescribed then...

[Titus]

In the future, I'd still love to see hurt tags as a secondary vote.

We have been avoiding this to avoid giving scum info about who to kill, as they can choose townies who won't kill them. Whether or not you agree with that approach.

A competent scumteam will have been reading the thread and know this anyway though?

[Titus]

Ugh, I just want content so I can get into this game.

[MURDERCAT]

I want to vote Noraa after that, but I don't want to end the day.

It is worth noting that we keep all the time left on the deadline when we pass a scroll. We just add 2 days to it

[Titus]

Oh ok.

VOTE: Noraa

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Once a player is cursed, they will have 2 days to pick a player they'd like to pass the scroll to, using a vote.

[Theta Alpine]

because you said in the postgame here:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12236870

that you fake townslips as scum, and

Isis are you allowed to tell us how many scum there are?

looks like a faked townslip.

I don't really believe you didn't read the first page of the setup and dont know how many scum there are.

I want to vote Noraa after that, but I don't want to end the day. I'm not a big fan of meta usually but when it's self prescribed then...

and that is why we are voting for who else we think is scum
to get more info

the majority of people here think noraa is scum so she will die at some point by being venge-killed
so now we vote other people and see what else we can find

p-edit
no that is not how it works
that person gets a 2 day deadline to pass the scroll

[Fidget]

Hi Titus. good vote

I want to vote Noraa after that, but I don't want to end the day.

It is worth noting that we keep all the time left on the deadline when we pass a scroll. We just add 2 days to it

Oh, I wasn't aware of that.

[Theta Alpine]

I want to vote Noraa after that, but I don't want to end the day.

It is worth noting that we keep all the time left on the deadline when we pass a scroll. We just add 2 days to it

that is what the dayvig shot that mafia has does