mystery box of silver 10: neighborhood (this is done)

[Almost50]

Math is still a solid as fuck elimination

Yes. I intend to write him a note explaining precisely what he has to do to avoid elimination.

Would it be public info who the Kingmaker?? If so, then you should pass that note to me and I should present him with to keep it a secret that your faction has abilities to hand out. (Unless that IS your plan in order to bait the NK, in which case go ahead and deliver it yourself)

[Titus]

No. It's not public info who is the kingmaker I believe. However, I feel not claiming the kingmaker role will turn town against us further. We can likely discuss whether or not us claiming it is a good idea here.

The note is not an ability, just something I am writing up that expresses our general sentiments. If you would like to post it, so be it.

[Titus]

Dear Mathblade,

The six of us have been talking remotely about you and what to do about you. The general consensus is that we don't know if you're scum, but we have no problem executing you. The only exceptions are the one or two people who flat out scumread you.

That being said, as of now, you are not the main priority for an execution. We really need to hit scum today. Another lynch fueled partially by personal biases hitting town helps no one.

Therefore, we decided to write you a note to tell you what you can do to improve the general health of the game, increase your chance of survival and ultimately increase your influence in future games. This boils down to three things: limiting your post volume, listening more to others, and actually hunting army instead of just strictly opposing us.

The first two items go hand in hand. Responding to everything makes it much harder to respond to what needed to be responded to. For instance, shelly posted a content wall that completely missed her need to respond to the question about if she was visited. This means town shelly can't keep up with the developments or scum shelly needed cover to get her response together. There's no way to know if the response is scummy. Running most gambits is impossible at the rate the game goes. To that end, I suggest you limit yourself to thirty posts a real life day.

This limitation also hopefully helps you listen more. Even if you think we're a massive scum cabal, direct, spammy opposition doesn't help. It demotivates people from changing their minds on a lynch. Maybe someone stands up to mastina if we all weren't so exhausted from dealing/reading your posts repeating the same thing. Instead, documenting our allegedly evil ways in a post per day might get more interaction.

The last thing you need to do is show you're hunting army outside of us. We've tried to engage you on this. You have said you can't discuss your reads based on "reasons". This feels more spiteful than actually scummy. We're giving you a chance to prove that right and that you have reads. Titus found it icky that you defended chemist without a townread there. We look forward to actually discussing reads with you, in a less spammy manner. That hopefully will let us sort each other.

When you take the time to listen rather than talk, objectives and then alignment get revealed.

Good luck,

The group of 6

[Titus]

Oh and we're adding Norway to the hood, since you can't die. Tomorrow, I'll be strongly pushing for superbowl9 to be added.

Now, it's time to get that list working.

[Titus]

The story of the Ban Hydras - Why I think Chemist is the scum at the tail end of day 1.

At 1.3, there's three people on the largest counterwagon to scum. Plus (conftown), DS and Chemist. It makes sense to me that a scum sheeped this wagon to get a counter with momentum going. The Menalque died with the arrival of Gamma. They could have tried jjh but there's one certain problem (he's a lurker, which is hard to counterwagon on), and two uncertain problems (namely jjh being scum or Bell being scum). That's why I find the Chemist (formerly Christopher) vote so pivotal. It gets the wagon to three and starts the momentum. Christopher is buddying DS and very tightly. This is why I vary from Nero on which is the scum at the end of the wagon. DS calls the Gamma wagon horrible. He's the caricature of the loud, vocally wrong townie.

At 1.3a

GoldenParadox joins. At this point, I would say Nero's position that both DS and TGP are scum is respectable but I disagree because that would require scum to be desperate to save Gamma this early. Chemist is not likely scum with either TGP or DS due to the neighbor's theory.

At 1.4

Nero Cain getting on the Ban Hydras counterwagon gives scum permission to get on the counterwagon. I don't buy shelly as scum due to the neighbors counterwagon. Samantha (shelly's former slot) also intended that she was going to vote for that wagon forever. That suggests more of a town motivation than scum usually. There is 100 posts of difference between Samantha and Gamma's voting posts though so maybe the neighbors theory is attenuated. I don't think it is though. I also think that Samantha's replace out was town driven ftr. I think Samantha just felt game integrity was compromised instead of the mod viewing the post as enforcing MS's rule on using the l word.

The GoldenParadox moving off the Ban Hydras wagon after Gamma voted on is also unlikely S v S with TGP looking to save Gamma. TGP would keep the wagon at 7.

1.4a

Taylor gets scumpoints for voting onto EE.

1.5

The shelly wagon's back end is pure. This tells us either a) scum gave up on saving Gamma, or b) their votes were locked in elsewhere, or c) they were lurkers or d) a combination of the above.

Reading at who did post with an opportunity to vote, we have DS, Echo. Pickaxe Pete, Christopher (aka Chemist) didn't post. Nor did any of the other people on independent wagons.

My thoughts are that the shelly wagon is town on town.

When mastina and Nero jumped on the gamma wagon, it effectively symboled all other wagons were dead. Scum were fucked. Chemist tried to turn things towards Samantha, but was afraid to commit to the read. Why did he ISO Samantha and not Gamma or Ban Hydras?

I strongly don't recommend executing the shelly slot.

[Titus]

Possible players

shellyc samantha97
Chemist1422
Bell
MathBlade
Tayl0r Swift
jjh927
Pickaxe Pete
DiamondSentinel
Something_Smart
DrDolittle
TheGoldenParadox

Removing those I feel confident about by VCs
Chemist1422
Bell
Mathblade
Tayl0r Swift
jjh927
PickaxePete
Something_Smart
DrDolittle

Removing those who I feel have an inkling of protown in their play despite being null in the VCs (Tayl0r remains due to her really suspicious VCA but otherwise she'd be done too)
Chemist1422
Mathblade
Tayl0r Swift *
jjh927
PickaxePete
Something_Smart
Dr.Dolittle (only kept in because of watching for buddying)

4/7. I like those odds. It becomes 4/5 if I remove honestly.

[Almost50]

Oh and we're adding Norway to the hood, since you can't die. Tomorrow, I'll be strongly pushing for superbowl9 to be added.

Now, it's time to get that list working.

That's a bad move IMHO, because I am now dealing with a

rogue

Battle Mage. He TRs math (for the same reason as April, whatever that means}. He thinks Taylor is scum (after I had posted my readlist and explained why she is Town to me), and.. he is admant to flip either Titus or mastina to confirm the other two. (He also said he was alright with a shelly execution to be fair)

I responded with threatening to go rogue myself and execute the hydra instead. I told him that won't confirm our won con but it at least confirms we are not Army. I HATE people who want to do their own thing

despite having been put in a bloody Masonry

.

Battle Mage won't be doing a readlist beyond what he said and I reported above. If you guys push for the hydra elimination on any subsequent day I won't stand in your way.

I am obviously FURIOUS now, so excuse me if I don't make much sense.

OR.. I may just outright out him in the main thread at the day start! That should work too.

I hope Scum shoot the Hydra and the Vig shoots Math and we can live happily ever after.

[Almost50]

You know what? I approve of you adding Norwee anyway.

[Nero Cain]

my only fear is that if you are correct that Plus doesn't die tonight, norway will.

[Titus]

The biggest problem is all the rebels who hate being out of control are townreading based on that.

[Titus]

We can keep a vote based on hurt tags but be clear any group votes will be disregarded.

[Titus]

my only fear is that if you are correct that Plus doesn't die tonight, norway will.

Valid concern but we need to make in roads with conftown.

[Titus]

Particularly with one conftown rebelling.

We may just have to take the gamble on Math scum.

[Nero Cain]

both heads of MM town read me. You need to tell/remind BM that I'm the third head of this and Titus and Mastina are the same alignment as me. We aren't "town" but we also aren't a threat to town and the only threat to town is kings army and we are society.

[Nero Cain]

my imagination makes our name sound like we are some snooty steampunk-ish group that thinks we are above both town and mafia. And I am.

[Nero Cain]

I'd rather play but BM is free to call for vig shots on us.

[Titus]

I wouldn't be surprised if I took one. That's why I redid my VCA.

Nero, can you look at my scumpool and determine if you're townreading anyone.

I kinda want to put Bell back in my scumpool. Just feel so meh on him.

[Nero Cain]

ditto. I liked his TGP read/push. But IG he is being kinda active lurkish. I think is comes down to if you think he's scum that's just making excuses. @ first he was saying he wasn't posting much b/c he was in 4 games and then it was b/c he was busy IRL.

[Nero Cain]

Bell was hard town reading me last game and he's apparently doing so here. You could argue that he's just buddying me though. I think there are scummier slots but I could always just be wrong.

[Nero Cain]

i know I already said it but Math hunting a known 3p group and not Army is either incredibly scummy or really really bad play. Math can't actually believe there are only 3 scum in a 23 player game, right? RiGHT?!?

[Titus]

Yeah. I like a Math elimination because he's not that bad and he really wanted to sellup the chain lynch guilty thing.

[Titus]

Scum want us to turn on each other here.

[Titus]

This game gives me anxiety.

[Nero Cain]

I mean it's not impossible that Math just

is

this bad (source: having played with Math b4), and maybe if there's a town vig they shot Math and we can just lynch someone else but so far I am leaning on a Math elim b/c mafia is a game of attrition and Math is a good flip.

[Titus]

It's not. The worst thing that happens is we silence a toxic, wrong game influence. We'll give him a chance to shape up with the note though.