Musician Mafia: Guitarists GAME OVER

[NoPowerOverMe]

See my read list a few pages back

[Iecerint]

which makes no sense for townDGB

Everyone is such an expert on me in this game. I'm learning so much about myself.

DGB, I really enjoying playing with you, both in person and on forum, hence my not voting you until today, but you do play differently when you are scum. Put simply, you are less engaged and more disruptive. (Granted, this is assuming your play hasn't changed since 2017. This pattern was stable 2010-2017.)

I think you are pretty aware that I have picked up your play looking scummy this game, regardless of your alignment, because we have had direct exchanges about this as far back as D1 this game. Hence, I am not buying the sudden outrage about this D3 when I finally vote you, when you have abundant context for where I am coming from.

[Iecerint]

I think you probably are aware of it and feel guilty about it, too, as evidenced by your blaming chkflp and NPOM.

[Iecerint]

I don't believe my play style has changed.

In this game, chkflip has been foaming at the mouth aggressive and unpleasant, I was put off by the Looker/chkflip hostilities, NPOM is a short post spammer, so in terms of game space, I feel squeezed on the sidelines more than usual. The game atmosphere isn't the worst I've ever seen, but there a lot if fun is being sucked out of it.

If you take a minute to iso me, I am just as spirited as ever.

If you take a minute to look at the reasons for which I am being, you'll see that there are none that stand even cursory examination.

Here's the relevant post.

[DrippingGoofball]

You've explained better than I ever could why you're scum.

[davesaz]

IKS who is scum?

Unless IKS is scum, his opinion is not worth more than yours or mine.

The logic on this is backwards.

[chkflip]

Less inclined to table Goofball.

[chkflip]

IKS who is scum?

Unless IKS is scum, his opinion is not worth more than yours or mine.

The logic on this is backwards.

Not necessarily, and it concerns me that you couldn't immediately see why.

[davesaz]

IKS who is scum?

Unless IKS is scum, his opinion is not worth more than yours or mine.

The logic on this is backwards.

Not necessarily, and it concerns me that you couldn't immediately see why.

If you're thinking all town opinions are equal D1 pre flip that isn't wrong per se.
The way it's stated, scum opinion would be worth more than town. The double negative messes things up.
Why would DGB use a double negative instead of the more straightforward "Even if he's town his opinion is not worth more than yours or mine"?

If IKS had been town his confirmed opinion is more useful than an unflipped town, provided it's correct.
A flipped scum's reads are also more useful than an unflipped town, since you can use them for partner detection.
DGB was essentially telling Titus not to ask for reads from someone who was likely to be eliminated.
It might mean foreknowledge that said reads could be incriminating.

[DrippingGoofball]

dave... scum knows who the scum is... my quip was too subtle, I guess.

[pisskop]

[pisskop]

[Iecerint]

DGB was essentially telling Titus not to ask for reads from someone who was likely to be eliminated.
It might mean foreknowledge that said reads could be incriminating.

I see DGB's comment as insinuation that there was something spooky about Titus's behavior re: IKS.

[Iecerint]

Which, again, is the opposite of people's reading of late D1 somehow clearing DGB.

[DrippingGoofball]

I see DGB's comment as insinuation that there was something spooky about Titus's behavior re: IKS.

So scummalicious with a cherry on top.

[DrippingGoofball]

You're acting so weird this game, Iecerint. Is everything OK?

[DrippingGoofball]

I think you probably are aware of it and

feel guilty about it

, too, as evidenced by your blaming chkflp and NPOM.

I FEEL GUILTY ABOUT IT

.

You don't hide it very well

[DrippingGoofball]

[Gamma Emerald]

(Exception: It's OK, even encouraged, to obsess over eliminating 3P BS)

Not in my book, if that’s your primary active focus

[Gamma Emerald]

which makes no sense for townDGB

Everyone is such an expert on me in this game. I'm learning so much about myself.

DGB, I really enjoying playing with you, both in person and on forum, hence my not voting you until today, but you do play differently when you are scum. Put simply, you are less engaged and more disruptive. (Granted, this is assuming your play hasn't changed since 2017. This pattern was stable 2010-2017.)

I think you are pretty aware that I have picked up your play looking scummy this game, regardless of your alignment, because we have had direct exchanges about this as far back as D1 this game. Hence, I am not buying the sudden outrage about this D3 when I finally vote you, when you have abundant context for where I am coming from.

I have limited experience with scum!DGB but I can say it generally lines up with what you say it is

[DrippingGoofball]

Gamma, Iecerint is scum.

[Galron]

These are all top of my head thoughts right now.

1. I've been pretty distant/unengaged. This game is grindy. Really really slow. I'm thinking the compressor might have something to do with that.
2. NPOM is annoying. I think he's probably town but I wouldn't miss him.
3. Chkflip and pooky are connected somehow. I haven't seen them try to solve each other.
4. DGB may be a bit off for me. Rereading the night kill post 3536 I think that comes from town more than scum and even DGB can make a mistake -- I'm nowhere near that level, and I forgot Titus was dead. Iecerint makes a cogent point here:

Spoiler:

Then, she tried to deflect away from IKS based on his CLAIM <--- which makes no sense for townDGB, because she would infer that IKS was scum if she were a townplayer who knew her own claimed role was in the game.

, which is scum indicative for DGB. And she seems to be, I guess I'd call it, lashing out, which is different. I think it's what Iecerint said was aggressive. I read her ISO though, and it's not particularly scummy. If anything, she's almost always solving or defending herself.
5. Starbuck is town. I wish she would post more often.
6. Looker is dead. Sorry Looker.
7. TripaineDeath is either what he says he is or he's scum. Does it matter at this point? We should just shred there today and move on. We've got 4 days. We're not coming to a consensus scum. We need to get info. Half of you will say information lynches are scummy but we've got to break the state we're in.

[chkflip]

Pooky has either pocketed me or is town.

My only meta experience with them, however, was them posting fucking gifs all game.

Can confirm we are not connected via role.

Goof, please case Iecerint.

[Doctor Drew]

Pooky has either pocketed me or is town.

My only meta experience with them, however, was them posting fucking gifs all game.

Can confirm we are not connected via role.

Goof, please case Iecerint.

I had experience with TownPook before that game and he was way more aggressive and definitive. I have had no real reason to suspect Pook in this game, but that game has been in been in the back of my mind all game(I think it was Gamma who said a similar thing about his town game).

Also, why did you only say via role?

[Grendel]

In very far into Tideath's ISO, but is a highly antagonistic tone common for Tideath to those who have played with him?

He's a bit emotionally sensitive in general, but it's outside his typical range this game.

When you say range you mean like out of his scum range?

or you mean just general behavior?

Answer this please Icecerint.