Mini Theme 2161: Undertale C Open - Chara's Folly

[Alisae]

I just learned that we can’t no lynch :/

[Isis]

Do not use the ableist r-word

Fight Votecount 5.1

Alisae--------------------------

PookyTheMagicalBear -------

(3) Morning Tweet, Alisae, Krazy

Morning Tweet----------------

Lavender

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Krazy--------------------------

Tanner

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Not Fighting:

(4)- PookyTheMagicalBear,

Lavender

,

Tanner

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Alisae leapt onto the fence, kicking eir way off of PookyTheMagicalBear as e did so.
"Dance number!"
E tried to dance along the fence, but it was a rather boring dance since Alisae wasn't used to actually having limbs, and mostly focused on jumping. Nahdia stopped headbanging and directed some of the studio's lighting towards Alisae.
When Alisae was in a glowing green circle of spotlight, e leapt off the fence and onto PookyTheMagicalBear's shoulders, making the spotlight follow.
"Dance, bear! You dance, now, or else!", e added with a cheshire grin.

With six alive it takes four to make a decision. The day will end in (expired on 2020-10-29 08:27:24)

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I just learned that we can’t no lynch :/

lol <3

[Alisae]

HURT: krazy

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

HURT: Krazy

Alisae you can't be scum here right? 800+ prism posts =]

[Morning Tweet]

GENTLEMEN AND HERBS OF THE JURY

Evidence supporting Krazy is town:

but yeah, between the catboi kill, which was one of the only slots hard defending me, and the tanner clear, which seems to serve no purpose other than getting me fought today, I want to say basically every visible scum night action has either been to make my slot lynchable

Clap joins a three-deep wagon on me day 2 with the other scum already dead

like, I'm just town. I'm not actually sure who the last scum is, but I feel like if you think about what scum is trying to do this game you will realize that me getting fought is basically their top priority at this point since it's definitely necessary to them winning the game

also toss on Prism's redtea meta in like, 1581 and 2744 for example

And double toss on Krazy's irritated reaction to Tanner suspecting him. I live and die by the principle that people are more likely to say mean things they might regret if they at least feel justified in doing so. Scum would not unless they really thought they were being caught for the wrong reasons.

I've been thinking about this Tanner push from Krazy, and I get this feeling that scum!Krazy would be a lot more okay with pushing this harsh/slightly mean angle than town!Krazy. As scum, it's all for the sake of the game and fabricated, so no hard feelings. As town, I feel like he's less likely to attack Tanner using this angle unless he's extremely confident, since he'd feel worse about it in case he's wrong. but I don't think the reasons for his push should equate to him being extremely confident? Tanner's start of day 3 wall was so towny, because it was stream of consciousness posting, and really hard to fake as scum, but Krazy continued pushing there regardless.

I guess I take more of an opposite stance on this. I think Krazy wouldn't feel justified in being somewhat mean if he didnt feel like Tanner was genuinely trying to portray him poorly -- which implies that Krazy really is town that (somewhat emotionally in my opinion) believes Tanner is scum.

If Krazy is scum, then he knows Tanner is town who really does believe Krazy is overlooking what makes Tanner town (or whatever things might have upset him).

I suppose I just dont believe in fabricating being upset with someone and then justifying it because 'it's just for the sake of the game'. Not to say you can't do that, I just think itd be unfun and I'm willing to bet it happens far, far less often than the alternative. so all in all I feel town!Krazy would be much more likely to feel justified in getting angry than scum!Krazy would feel justified in feigning it.

Evidence supporting Pooky is scum:

Today is planned out in such a way that gives Pooky a fighting chance of winning. The spares help for an easy Krazy elim. Lav gives him a free vote tomorrow. Alisae is trying eir hardest to be suspicious and Pooky is throwing extra suspicion there despite voting for Krazy first.

Pooky did not hard-bus Elements don't let him tell you otherwise, he only committed after Ele was already dead. Granted he distanced from Ele, but catboi (and to a lesser extent redtea) were always higher value targets until Elements was dead meat.

I went through Pooky's entire ISO and did not find conclusive evidence he is town. I can do this for every other player but not Pooky.

Evidence supporting Pooky is town:

Ear flops!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (disclaimer: im being bribed to include this)

Evidence supporting Krazy is scum:

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Can I get a refresher on why Krazy is scum? Pooky sure doesn't know. He's off being concerned about Prism i think

[Morning Tweet]

s i g h

i wanted to ask non-pooky players what they thought of 4307 but like all of them are either voting pooky or saying they want to vote pooky so boy oh boy i wonder what they think!!!

tweet i have a decent idea of what you're gonna say, but i need to pretend like i know what i'm doing here, can i ask for your opinion on my 4307?

ok i just kinda remembered two things.
(1) the reasons why i was suspecting lavender. towny slots voting them while there was a wagon on scum building. why was scum never voting them?
(2) a flash in my mind of someone (probably krazy haha <3) calling me scum for piling on pooky at one point while elements wagon was building

so i kinda went back to check (2) and uhhh

ok so hear me out hear me out here

Fight Votecount 1.5

PookyTheMagicalBear -------

(1)

Hectic

Fight Votecount 1.6

PookyTheMagicalBear -------

(3)

Hectic

,

catboi

,

Tanner

at the time of 1.6, there was already a wagon forming on elements, puppy and chara. (i already cut it out but take my word for it)

now, i thought this was weird. all town wagon on pooky. i went ahead and skimmed what happened between these VCs.

both of these posts happened in between these two VCs.

fyi my elements vote is semi-serious now, it's more than sheeping chara (actually i think she made the point first and technically i voted first?) anyways, i think i have a decent reason for voting elements if you want to hear it (you want to hear it don't you squidward)

please do, I don't believe you.
HURT: puppy

Hectic - Town
Elements - Town
Chara - null
Prism - town
PookyTheMagicalBear - chara
catboi - town
Morning Tweet - town
Tayl0r Swift - eh
Lavender - who?
redtea - eh
Tanner - scum
CantLynchAPuppy - scum

elements called pooky scum, along with me and puppy. but he voted for puppy, not pooky. even though there was a wagon growing on pooky (both me and catboi already moved there)

million dollar question

why didn't he vote pooky here if pooky is town and there is a wagon forming on him and it would fit with his reads

HMM I WONDER

Great catch Tanner. Your guess of what I would say is probably correct.

[Morning Tweet]

Pooky, if you're town, wouldn't you prefer to die today rather than have to deal with the fight for the game stress of Xylo? I thought you were gonna go down that path when you said you were open to being BoPed on Nacho yesterday.

Instead, you're setting yourself up for a fight to the death with Prism-Alisae tomorrow!

[Morning Tweet]

I just learned that we can’t no lynch :/

Why is scum allowed to no-kill but we can't no elim? I wonder if that's intentional or not.

That little loophole gave them a fighting chance. Alongside, of course, them being really good at appearing town, and us repeatedly missing. But still, it would probably have been all for nothing if they had to be the #1 towniest player.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Pooky, if you're town, wouldn't you prefer to die today rather than have to deal with the fight for the game stress of Xylo? I thought you were gonna go down that path when you said you were open to being BoPed on Nacho yesterday.

Instead, you're setting yourself up for a fight to the death with Prism-Alisae tomorrow!

yes I do

but then i realized this was very selfish of me to take the easy way out and steal 17 points of town EV just so I can avoid lylo like a coward.

i actually thought a lot about this

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Evidence supporting Pooky is scum:

Today is planned out in such a way that gives Pooky a fighting chance of winning. The spares help for an easy Krazy elim. Lav gives him a free vote tomorrow. Alisae is trying eir hardest to be suspicious and Pooky is throwing extra suspicion there despite voting for Krazy first.

Pooky did not hard-bus Elements don't let him tell you otherwise, he only committed after Ele was already dead. Granted he distanced from Ele, but catboi (and to a lesser extent redtea) were always higher value targets until Elements was dead meat.

I went through Pooky's entire ISO and did not find conclusive evidence he is town. I can do this for every other player but not Pooky.

ok but if you compare me to Prism and Redtea, - redtea never voted ele and prism was always off ele until the very end with the hammer so I'm not sure it's fair to say that I didn't do more to kill Ele relative to those 2.

[Morning Tweet]

I WILL GRANT YOU THAT PRISM PROBABLY DIDN'T TARGET SCUM ALL GAME

(as did a lot of us, there was a high town to scum ratio after all)

but

Do you think they'd risk pissing off Chara if they weren't certain it was scum? I'm also hearing that Prism dislikes playing scum and cannot give a mega performance such as this, but I will probably need to verify that.

With regards to the Ele wagon specifically. You are correct, redtea ghosted out. I do not think they really took much of a stance on anyone being scum (?). Although comparatively to their scum game, it's still a huge difference. Redtea gave only a single read in like hundreds of pages of their scum game if i recall correctly. They were much more engaged here.

Prism I wanna say tunneled on catboi. I notice they had Hectic/Lav/Ele at the bottom of their reads.

You are right in that you probably were a bit harder on Elements than they were. But you didn't push the elim either -- my main point is that your "I never bus as scum" holds true I *think*.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

how did I not push the elim? I think thats a very unfair interpretation of my actions - I certainly pushed it more than either redtea or prism who were either defending ele or trying to find a lynch elsewhere.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

read prisms posts from 600 to eod
read redteas
read mine


i am by far pushing ele more than either of those two

[Alisae]

HURT: pooky

[Morning Tweet]

read prisms posts from 600 to eod
read redteas
read mine

i am by far pushing ele more than either of those two

My point isn't that you pushed Ele less than them, my point is that you didn't hard bus Elements which you said you won't do as scum.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

do you really think im scum here alisae?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

read prisms posts from 600 to eod
read redteas
read mine

i am by far pushing ele more than either of those two

My point isn't that you pushed Ele less than them, my point is that you didn't hard bus Elements which you said you won't do as scum.

we have different definitions of bussing

if you want to say im more suspicious than alisae/krazy you should say why. I can already tell you the ele wagon isnt it.

[Alisae]

I mean
I've been going back and forth between you and krazy

[Alisae]

right now I'm like a Cerberus but all of the heads can't decide on one thing and work together

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

what have I even done this game Tweetie to make you so sure im the bad guy?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I mean
I've been going back and forth between you and krazy

its not me tho

[Alisae]

Well it has to be someone!

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

but im not it

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i kinda wish i was it. that would be a happy ending