Death Curse

[UNOwen]

that was not a town tell
the only reason i would even talk about it was because it was public information

I know it was not a town tell.

[shellyc]

Like think it is townie - yes
Actually follow the logic and agree with it - ????

as i said before im not a great fan of spelling out all my trajectories and instead prefer to keep that to my notes pt

but i do follow the logic and im not sure how you aren't able to see that????

[UNOwen]

I think your reaction to it being talked about is a town tell though.

[shellyc]

Also, my SR read of the user "Bell" is quite serious.

[Bell]

Pooky if you’ve only finished one game with Taylor, why are you the Taylor expert.
I feel like I’m on foxnews.

[Hopkirk]

Sorry, why is uno scum?

Can you give him an iso and post some thoughts?

Hopkirk
Lady
Taylor
Vaxkiller
Mush
Zdenek
MURDERCAT
Shelly
PookyTheMagicalBear
Titus
Theta

seems fine but the other nine seems like the lurker block?

A little, it's just I like a lot of the more postery players. There's probably a deepwolf in those 10 somewhere.

For reference: lurkers/unsortable are

Gloria Cleary
Flea The Magician
Lapsa
Adorable

Push block
Toogeloo
Unowen
Fidget
Bell
Noraa

1 deepwolf + 1 lurker + Noraa + 2 of (Toogeloo/Unowen/Bell/Fidget). Could be 2 deepwolves, 3 in push block, or 2 lurkers or something. I need a lot more for a solid solve, but this is where i'm vibing around.

[MURDERCAT]

You definitely don't get hit before Lady and a couple of other people it's probably best not to mention imo. I'm also very opposed to the idea of not sharing reads to avoid a NK. If we just solid townblock and do a POE today that's much better than the 'stay low until later in the game' when you're honestly more likely to eat a scroll since we'll have lost some of the bigger voices.

I'm in the town block already though, no? I do plan to share my opinions as they become relevant. The thing about Noraa is that there's enough there for me to think she flips town some of the time, I don't think town Noraa spite passes, and LLD could legitimately still be scum. My plan for LLD is "hope she dies early, if so she's town." If scum Noraa passes to town LLD I fully believe we go S>T>S on day 1 and if we go S>T>S on day 1 I believe we are in such a commanding position that we win outright regardless of one town read player being gone. So I don't really see why we are trying to milk this. Worse case scenario is town Noraa passes to town LLD who I think manages to hit scum for sure, so we still go T>T>S which is not that bad because we still deny scum a kill (though they would be happy with LLD being gone off course).

[Bell]

Sorry, why is uno scum?

[shellyc]

i'd swap fidget -> zdenek in your solve but the rest of this seems quite solid

p-edit: why re you so confident in lld's ability to find scum

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

@Titus - not sure if anyone directly said this, but all flips happen after the third lethal. We don't get to see what the first flip is before they scroll someone else or they scroll someone else else.

Yes but I don't see how that's relevant. Taylor dies whether or not in first secord or third. I'd like to avoid that. Hopefully by wagoning Pooky, we get him to talk about things elsewhere. Otherwise, we accept Pooky!scum, Taylor is the sacrifice who hopefully eliminates Noraa.

rofl I have 250 posts and nobody else is over 200 yea I'm sure I'm the one who needs to contribute to the game more titus.

[Bell]

i'd swap fidget -> zdenek in your solve but the rest of this seems quite solid

p-edit: why re you so confident in lld's ability to find scum

Supportive scum Shellyc tactic #2.

[UNOwen]

Like think it is townie - yes
Actually follow the logic and agree with it - ????

as i said before im not a great fan of spelling out all my trajectories and instead prefer to keep that to my notes pt

but i do follow the logic and im not sure how you aren't able to see that????

So you are saying that you noticed post 101 and thought it was a town tell.
You noticed that Isis town read Theta and assumed it was because of the town tell, and think that was itself a town tell of Isis
You think that at the point where I was mildly suspicious of Isis but not to the point of actually raising it I would have noticed these things and dismissed my suspicions of Isis because of it.
And that I would make all these connections but not have known that in the skellytrumpet post there is a sample role pm which disproves all of this theorising?

[Theta Alpine]

I think your reaction to it being talked about is a town tell though.

fair enough

p-edit
ooh i really like that list from hopkirk
but i also really think adorable is scum for reasons i have mentioned and other people have elaborated on

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Pooky if you’ve only finished one game with Taylor, why are you the Taylor expert.
I feel like I’m on foxnews.

ongoing can't discuss

[Bell]

New playbook plz. @shelly, I’ve read this book already.

[shellyc]

ooh i really like that list from hopkirk

Bell you're inconsistent simply because making TRs is not equaling to pocketing. If you want to call everyone that TRs hopkirk as scum, SR this.

[Hopkirk]

Pooky - Is that last comment about my spectator list a Mastina or a Hectic?

I don't know who Mastina is

@Pooky - town Taylor would never accept this because she's getting the first lethal and you're getting the second. If she 90% scumreads you then it's a terrible trade for her to trade her own life and a strong townread (who scum you would scroll) as opposed to giving you first or third lethal. Town her would definitely never consider this over Pooky-Taylor-X and this feels kind of obvious? Like neither alignment Taylor would consider it a good offer, and I feel it's hard to miss that it's objectively a terrible offer from her POV, and also worse than the other virtually identical offer.

This depends on your game-state read of Noraa - is Noraa currently locked in as 3rd elim or not? Do we need some kind of pseudo vote to decide this?

Also you fail to account for T-Swift's feelings about me - if she is 95% SR me and I'm a higher influence slot in that I'm driving a lot of the action - it absolutely makes sense for her to 1:1 trade me out if she has little to no traction on my slot. - Look at the feeling Isis had about LLD in early d1 - if you're a townie and you see someone who you consider almost certainly scum being townread all over the place and driving people out left and right - you want to trade your life for theirs early to avoid them doing more damage.

The issue is this
If Taylor is town and thinks you're scum then the actual order would be

Taylor-Pooky-One of Taylor's townreads

That's a shit bargain for Taylor. If she dies she absolutely wants to be in the middle.

Like nobody would EVER accept that because it's literally the worst possible outcome except for hitting 3 town since she dies and the mafia get the effective nightkill. It's far superior for her to kill someone she scumreads with the first slot. I especially don't get why you think Taylor as a player would like the deal based on the personality read I'm forming around her. What you SHOULD be asking her is whether she'd accept Pooky-Taylor-X since that's a deal town would consider taking. Choosing not to make that deal ensures she'll never take it as either alignment.

You're also definitely overestimating your game impact.

[shellyc]

New playbook plz. @shelly, I’ve read this book already.

gunna throw you some book curses in Latin maybe?

[Bell]

Nope, it’s that you’re agreeing with him ina way that scum you does, where town you probably doesn’t,

[shellyc]

Nope, it’s that you’re agreeing with him ina way that scum you does, where town you probably doesn’t,

you haven't even played with town me, lol

[Bell]

Sorry, Shelly.
I guess I can read you now.
Maybe.
Guess we’ll find out,

[Bell]

Nope, it’s that you’re agreeing with him ina way that scum you does, where town you probably doesn’t,

you haven't even played with town me, lol

Oh okay then.

VOTE: ShelleyC

[Theta Alpine]

ooh i really like that list from hopkirk

Bell you're inconsistent simply because making TRs is not equaling to pocketing. If you want to call everyone that TRs hopkirk as scum, SR this.

what
how does liking a list someone makes equate to me townreading them

[Hopkirk]

@Bell - put your vote down somewhere, thanks.

You definitely don't get hit before Lady and a couple of other people it's probably best not to mention imo. I'm also very opposed to the idea of not sharing reads to avoid a NK. If we just solid townblock and do a POE today that's much better than the 'stay low until later in the game' when you're honestly more likely to eat a scroll since we'll have lost some of the bigger voices.

I'm in the town block already though, no? I do plan to share my opinions as they become relevant. The thing about Noraa is that there's enough there for me to think she flips town some of the time, I don't think town Noraa spite passes, and LLD could legitimately still be scum. My plan for LLD is "hope she dies early, if so she's town." If scum Noraa passes to town LLD I fully believe we go S>T>S on day 1 and if we go S>T>S on day 1 I believe we are in such a commanding position that we win outright regardless of one town read player being gone. So I don't really see why we are trying to milk this. Worse case scenario is town Noraa passes to town LLD who I think manages to hit scum for sure, so we still go T>T>S which is not that bad because we still deny scum a kill (though they would be happy with LLD being gone off course).

So we're shooting X-Y-Noraa. Who do you want to be X (and Y if relevant). We need to decide on who's first shot, and as many trustable voices helping me sort is really useful.

i'd swap fidget -> zdenek in your solve but the rest of this seems quite solid

p-edit: why re you so confident in lld's ability to find scum

I mean he could just take the deepwolf slot right?

[shellyc]

calling this a night

todo list tmr for this game is basically trying to sort between {zdenek/UNO/toogeloo}