Death Curse

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

The issue is this
If Taylor is town and thinks you're scum then the actual order would be

Taylor-Pooky-One of Taylor's townreads

That's a shit bargain for Taylor. If she dies she absolutely wants to be in the middle.

Like nobody would EVER accept that because it's literally the worst possible outcome except for hitting 3 town since she dies and the mafia get the effective nightkill. It's far superior for her to kill someone she scumreads with the first slot. I especially don't get why you think Taylor as a player would like the deal based on the personality read I'm forming around her. What you SHOULD be asking her is whether she'd accept Pooky-Taylor-X since that's a deal town would consider taking. Choosing not to make that deal ensures she'll never take it as either alignment.

You're also definitely overestimating your game impact.

X is already fixed at Noraa

I might be over-estimating game impact sure.

[Hopkirk]

I never see posts like the one fidget just made come from town. Ever.
Why do I have so many scum reads this game.

Hey Bell, how come you didn't take me up on my offer for a Fidget wagon?

[shellyc]

ooh i really like that list from hopkirk

Bell you're inconsistent simply because making TRs is not equaling to pocketing. If you want to call everyone that TRs hopkirk as scum, SR this.

what
how does liking a list someone makes equate to me townreading them

yeah

im using that as an example where how bells being incredibly inconsistent and confbiased in a bad way

[UNOwen]

What shelly, plz respond?????

[Bell]

@hopkirk: just did.

[shellyc]

respond to what

ok i skim a lot when there is a critical question for me bold it. thanks.

[Bell]

If you don’t specifically ask me to sheep you, I probably won’t sheep you,

[UNOwen]

Like think it is townie - yes
Actually follow the logic and agree with it - ????

as i said before im not a great fan of spelling out all my trajectories and instead prefer to keep that to my notes pt

but i do follow the logic and im not sure how you aren't able to see that????

So you are saying that you noticed post 101 and thought it was a town tell.
You noticed that Isis town read Theta and assumed it was because of the town tell, and think that was itself a town tell of Isis
You think that at the point where I was mildly suspicious of Isis but not to the point of actually raising it I would have noticed these things and dismissed my suspicions of Isis because of it.
And that I would make all these connections but not have known that in the skellytrumpet post there is a sample role pm which disproves all of this theorising?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

So we're shooting X-Y-Noraa. Who do you want to be X (and Y if relevant). We need to decide on who's first shot, and as many trustable voices helping me sort is really useful.

is 3rd scroll fixed at Noraa or not? you seem to be one foot each world right now Hopkirk

[Bell]

Yeah, you’ll need to explain the nuance in how it’s not fair that I’m not applying ShellyC only reads To people not named shellyC.

[shellyc]

why does the sample role pm even matter towards all this logic

[MURDERCAT]

So we're shooting X-Y-Noraa.

I guess so but I don't see why my logic is bad? Like there is a good chance of T>S>T here.

[Hopkirk]

The issue is this
If Taylor is town and thinks you're scum then the actual order would be

Taylor-Pooky-One of Taylor's townreads

That's a shit bargain for Taylor. If she dies she absolutely wants to be in the middle.

Like nobody would EVER accept that because it's literally the worst possible outcome except for hitting 3 town since she dies and the mafia get the effective nightkill. It's far superior for her to kill someone she scumreads with the first slot. I especially don't get why you think Taylor as a player would like the deal based on the personality read I'm forming around her. What you SHOULD be asking her is whether she'd accept Pooky-Taylor-X since that's a deal town would consider taking. Choosing not to make that deal ensures she'll never take it as either alignment.

You're also definitely overestimating your game impact.

X is already fixed at Noraa

I might be over-estimating game impact sure.

I think I see your issue.
Imagine town Taylor looking at the scenario. Let's say she 95% scumreads you and 95% TRs Lady.

If she gets the lethal
Taylor-Pooky-Lady (as scum you does NOT shoot Noraa)

If you get the lethal
Pooky-Taylor-Noraa

Why does she even take option 1?

Would you be happy with Pooky lethal, scroll to Taylor who insta passed to Lady? From town Taylor's perspective it's literally this and that's not a good trade.
Really want you to comment a yes/no on the above point.

[shellyc]

Yeah, you’ll need to explain the nuance in how it’s not fair that I’m not applying ShellyC only reads To people not named shellyC.

wait there is a book outlining the "shellyc only reads"
i actually really wanna know what they are tbh

[UNOwen]

why does the sample role pm even matter towards all this logic

Why do you think post 101 was regarded by Adorable as a town tell?

[Bell]

Maybe after the game and if you flip red I’ll share.

[Hopkirk]

@hopkirk: just did.

If you don’t specifically ask me to sheep you, I probably won’t sheep you,

My problem isn't that you're not sheeping me, it's that you expressed a bad read on the slot when I'm not happy with the interactions between the pair of you, then when given the opportunity to join a wagon there you didn't join in.

You want to sheep now?

So we're shooting X-Y-Noraa. Who do you want to be X (and Y if relevant). We need to decide on who's first shot, and as many trustable voices helping me sort is really useful.

is 3rd scroll fixed at Noraa or not? you seem to be one foot each world right now Hopkirk

Third scroll is fixed on Noraa UNLESS 2nd scroll is scum since scum doesn't pass to Noraa no matter what alignment Noraa is.
I think this is what you're missing in my posts about Taylor/you, since it's consistent with everything I'm saying.

[UNOwen]

I guess so but I don't see why my logic is bad? Like there is a good chance of T>S>T here.

Your logic gets stronger the bigger the chance of Noraa town.

[Bell]

Not really. You’re kind of like somebody who wants to control the game but I don’t respond well to what you’re doing. So I’m tactfully side stepping you.

[Hopkirk]

So we're shooting X-Y-Noraa.

I guess so but I don't see why my logic is bad? Like there is a good chance of T>S>T here.

Who do you want to lethal first right now?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I think I see your issue.
Imagine town Taylor looking at the scenario. Let's say she 95% scumreads you and 95% TRs Lady.

If she gets the lethal
Taylor-Pooky-Lady (as scum you does NOT shoot Noraa)

If you get the lethal
Pooky-Taylor-Noraa

Why does she even take option 1?

Would you be happy with Pooky lethal, scroll to Taylor who insta passed to Lady? From town Taylor's perspective it's literally this and that's not a good trade.
Really want you to comment a yes/no on the above point.

is this a troll i already promised to shoot noraa and theres no way taylor thought of that because she didnt respond to the offer that way. now you're just putting words in her mouth.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

and taylor worrying about pooky shooting LLD is fucking HILARIOUS take on this because Taylor literally said she wanted to kill LLD herself

[Hopkirk]

Not really. You’re kind of like somebody who wants to control the game but I don’t respond well to what you’re doing. So I’m tactfully side stepping you.

I'd like to wagon someone yes. I'm not clear what you mean by 'wants to control the game' outside of that, and why you don't want to follow onto that wagon if you actually want that wagon.

[MURDERCAT]

I guess so but I don't see why my logic is bad? Like there is a good chance of T>S>T here.

Your logic gets stronger the bigger the chance of Noraa town.

So we're shooting X-Y-Noraa.

I guess so but I don't see why my logic is bad? Like there is a good chance of T>S>T here.

Who do you want to lethal first right now?

Noraa, because of the 30/40% chance she's town

[Bell]

If I wanted that wagon I would be trying to make that wagon, no?