mystery box of silver 10. (done)

[Morning Mage]

You’re looking for scum that meet the regular model X. I am looking for scum that meet the model Y. (I hinted at it before. Can’t complete this sentence without outing my theory) I think as long as you treat it like 6 masons instead of 6 observers/coaches you’re going to be on the wrong track.

mathblade, I'm lazy - can you please tell me who you think is scum? like 3 or 4 names

One or more of the trio DDL = Pick > JJH atm
TGP
S_S or Shelly (don’t see both)

interesting - you trust the not-so-secret 7 then?

[Nero Cain]

y TPG instead of DS or Chemist?

[MathBlade]

How are you so sure that group was not scum though?

There's a lot of genuine solving from Mastina/Nero/Titus in the hood and i would be really impressed if that was scum theatre. They are genuinely attempting to fullfill town's wincon so i trust them based on that.

fair enough man, but i do think they would be capable of faking that if scum. hypothetically, they would have know the whole purpose of that hood was to look like they were scumhunting (assuming they had a different PT for nefarious shit).

Titus / Mastina especially are nefarious when playing scum. However at this point if they are scum they are just waiting the long game to shoot me and pretend it’s otherwise to save face. So I mean there’s only so much they can do with a constant reminder of a dude who asks questions of them. Remove him and then coast is clear.

[MathBlade]

You’re looking for scum that meet the regular model X. I am looking for scum that meet the model Y. (I hinted at it before. Can’t complete this sentence without outing my theory) I think as long as you treat it like 6 masons instead of 6 observers/coaches you’re going to be on the wrong track.

mathblade, I'm lazy - can you please tell me who you think is scum? like 3 or 4 names

One or more of the trio DDL = Pick > JJH atm
TGP
S_S or Shelly (don’t see both)

interesting - you trust the not-so-secret 7 then?

Somewhat. They may be scum siding but the more probable is they are 3P.

[Nero Cain]

but Mage and Math to a lesser extent...we are 3 players. in a 23 player large. Even if you want to argue that we are scum there HAS to be other scum b/c 3 is a 23 is unbalanced as fuck.

[Morning Mage]

and I can definitely understand the paranoia!

for me, it's not just that math is paranoid of us but Math actively tried to argue that kings army wasn't scum and that a 3 person group was scum in a 23 player.

Also, Math isn't even trying to hunt for them.

hmmmm i have definitely felt he was genuinely hunting. arguing king's army wasn't scum - i didnt see it, but i couldnt defend it lol

[Morning Mage]

but Mage and Math to a lesser extent...we are 3 players. in a 23 player large. Even if you want to argue that we are scum there HAS to be other scum b/c 3 is a 23 is unbalanced as fuck.

yes, i am well appraised of the fact that if you were scum, there would be more.

[MathBlade]

y TPG instead of DS or Chemist?

Mainly the setup questions TPG has asked.

It seems way too focused and matches my theory I have.

DS asks questions but they don’t match the same red flags.

Chemist is more a null. He’s not a scum read or townread. The others just pop up to me more as scum.

[Morning Mage]

How are you so sure that group was not scum though?

There's a lot of genuine solving from Mastina/Nero/Titus in the hood and i would be really impressed if that was scum theatre. They are genuinely attempting to fullfill town's wincon so i trust them based on that.

fair enough man, but i do think they would be capable of faking that if scum. hypothetically, they would have know the whole purpose of that hood was to look like they were scumhunting (assuming they had a different PT for nefarious shit).

Titus / Mastina especially are nefarious when playing scum. However at this point if they are scum they are just waiting the long game to shoot me and pretend it’s otherwise to save face. So I mean there’s only so much they can do with a constant reminder of a dude who asks questions of them. Remove him and then coast is clear.

eh...i dont know about nefarious - it would be fairly obvious play in that scenario was my point

[MathBlade]

but Mage and Math to a lesser extent...we are 3 players. in a 23 player large. Even if you want to argue that we are scum there HAS to be other scum b/c 3 is a 23 is unbalanced as fuck.

I agree. That’s why I was labelling it scumsiding. They would just have secret others if scum. Again this is doubtful and goes against the plans of my absolute so I would rather not delve too far.

The other problem is conversely you have 3Ps essentially claiming god powers against a 1 shot alien. It rubs me the wrong way the other way too.

You can’t say one without the other. What’s more realistic is {redacted theory here}.

[Morning Mage]

like if Math is town it's almost comical how bad the play. While possible, I just think this bad play is scum motivated and not just bad town.

objectively, i think this is clearly an unfair indictment on his play.

[MathBlade]

like if Math is town it's almost comical how bad the play. While possible, I just think this bad play is scum motivated and not just bad town.

objectively, i think this is clearly an unfair indictment on his play.

Lmao

Nero has seen me at my worst.

From his POV that may be accurate.

I have had some baaaaaaaad games.

*shivers*

[Nero Cain]

They would just have secret others if scum. Again this is doubtful

still arguing that king isn't scum.

[Almost50]

A50 can you read PT

I did and I relayed the suggestion as well as everything else you said.

[MathBlade]

Nero how did Mastina reset when April flipped green? What did your hood do?

[Morning Mage]

Also, A50 hood is trustworthy too.

4518 is shady in a weird way

im gonna be deathtunnelling MM next after I've been more settled on bell
MM/Chemist/DDL/pete/{S_S, TGP} is my current solve

I'm mech conftown though 2 players can definitely confirm i'm town, and for some reason another 3/4 players are also doing so.

So good luck with that!

why is mm mech conftown i did not read some of this thread

im not sure if we'd been outted yet (so my bad if not, i got over-excited ) but it doesn't matter in the context of the game now. We're part of the mason group, so A50 knows we are town.

Lovely, just lovely.

Of all the cards not to spill you had to do this one.

Like we are so fucked.

haha in my defence, i wasnt exactly in favour of us being outted to the other mason group. shit happens dude - it was pretty fucking obvious from Titus' sudden U-turn on our slot that we were the other mason.

[MathBlade]

That makes a lot more sense.

Titus has been allergic to pants this game.

[Morning Mage]

like if Math is town it's almost comical how bad the play. While possible, I just think this bad play is scum motivated and not just bad town.

objectively, i think this is clearly an unfair indictment on his play.

Lmao

Nero has seen me at my worst.

From his POV that may be accurate.

I have had some baaaaaaaad games.

*shivers*

? you normally play badly, but you think Nero is justified in thinking you are playing particularly badly here?

[MathBlade]

It wasn’t Titus who outed you to me btw.

Masons have this kind of “aura” when they post. It tends to be a bit too friendly in thread.

It’s hard to explain but there’s a vibe.

[Morning Mage]

i have no idea what you're talking about dude

[Morning Mage]

i'm always friendly

[MathBlade]

like if Math is town it's almost comical how bad the play. While possible, I just think this bad play is scum motivated and not just bad town.

objectively, i think this is clearly an unfair indictment on his play.

Lmao

Nero has seen me at my worst.

From his POV that may be accurate.

I have had some baaaaaaaad games.

*shivers*

? you normally play badly, but you think Nero is justified in thinking you are playing particularly badly here?

It’s not a “normally” thing. I am swingy and much better on alt accounts on other websites. (Which I don’t mention because I don’t want the Math taint to spread to those) . I generally am hit or miss.

If I can get a firm foundation of a few correct town reads and a scumread and the right narrative I am gold.

If I get the wrong idea I am stubborn AF.

So Nero could be flashing back to games like Civ. It didn’t raise any pings to me.

[MathBlade]

i'm always friendly

You are. It’s more a “not really questioning” vibe. When if you are not masons you would.

It’s hard to show an absence.

[Almost50]

Nice, but he would have still handed the next invention the NEXT night to be used ANOTHER NIGHT after.

Yeah, but now he can't. If they kill him N3, it doesn't stop the invention from going through, even if they have to wait until N4 for it to do anything.

I kinda reconsidered and now see your logic. That puts a bit of a dent in my theory regarding why he was NK'd.

See, the way I thought it was all about shelly being "additionally confirmed" (if there's such a thing) by flipping Plus a TOWN. Sometimes I try to think how "newb/naive" scum do. Yours is more like how "seasoned/experienced" scum go about it.

Thanks for the help. Both you AND shelly are off my list for today.

[MathBlade]

Nice, but he would have still handed the next invention the NEXT night to be used ANOTHER NIGHT after.

Yeah, but now he can't. If they kill him N3, it doesn't stop the invention from going through, even if they have to wait until N4 for it to do anything.

I kinda reconsidered and now see your logic. That puts a bit of a dent in my theory regarding why he was NK'd.

See, the way I thought it was all about shelly being "additionally confirmed" (if there's such a thing) by flipping Plus a TOWN. Sometimes I try to think how "newb/naive" scum do. Yours is more like how "seasoned/experienced" scum go about it.

Thanks for the help. Both you AND shelly are off my list for today.

Can I say my thing now?