In post 2021, Adorable wrote:@Noraa There are some players who are suspecting us as scum buddies and if you really are town, then this makes me think scum are the ones who are trying to make it look like we are scum buddies when we are not. UNOwen and Fidget are the players that come up from the top of my head.
I am pretty willing to believe you are town right now because Noraa/Adorable solve is what some people are suggesting and this is really fishy because I am the most highly SRed and you are pretty clearly busy and no offense but you are definitely considered LHF. LHF=low hanging fruit or easy limbait.
Cool. Lets talk about these three posts. The first post is from my first scum game. Im gonna entirely ignore it because I believe using my first scum game to say absolutely anything is stupid. The second one was after I had a super fake reaction to hammering my partner. Like I literally went all the way over and I panicked so bad because vp(a townie) didn't respond to me. I was literally in the pt like shit shit shit shit shit shit shit that reaction was so fucking fake. The third, the main point of that post wasn't the self meta. It was telling people to give me more time to think about what to do.
In post 2026, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:
Quoting from laziness. Today was huge.
Pooky's one half gut read, one half noticing patterns of behavior.
Pooky takes pressure-free scumreads and reacts terribly to them... I tend to find I have to press town players to get reactions from them usually, I can stand off to one side and sort of talk around Pooky and get a guaranteed burst of anger, usually without any attempts to correct. When Pooky DOES correct me, they're noticeably /even more/ angry. General feeling is suggesting to me that Pooky's scum that doesn't like being scumread for "wrong" reasons. Similar to how I felt when you got angry about my scumread in our prior game -- like, this is way more anger than this statement and amount of investment and pressure deserves. When they can correct me, they do it with malice, like they're getting back for all the times they couldn't. This is sort of gutready, but its a definite pattern I'm noticing.
Pooky also does, as I said before, this "whispering in the ear" thing. Doing it to Bell was not necessarily the case though I believe an element of that remains. LLD is the big one, of course. But there's something I've noticed -- since my mistake with reading the Pooky+Bell interaction as that, Pooky hasn't done any intense 1-on-1 back and forth with anyone whereas before that it was the bulk of their ISO. That's not AI per se, but I don't know why a townie who plays that way stops when I press that button, which I feel tips it over into AI. (If it had continued, I might have wavered on this read somewhat, but I can't say how much.)
As for who to pass it to?
I think you're mistaken.
Pooky wanted to be second in line. Watch this: Tayl0r->Pooky->LLD. What does that do to you? Well, it looks bad. Looks like scum Pooky saving you from your biggest detractor -- easy to pull the town onto your wagon there. Better yet, watch THIS as if you're scum: Tayl0r->Pooky->MUSHSHAGANA. Whoa! Suddenly no brakes on your train right -- looks like scum angling for a miselim, right? And you get off the hook as easy miselim bait that shouldn't be taken, if you're scum. Presuming a less subtlety-aware player list, scum might do that second one with you as town since worse town players wouldn't catch themselves necessarily.
Why me for the second one? Simple: Your loudest two defenders are Tayl0r and me. I'm not actually putting any effort in but I restate my read of you often. With Tayl0r out I'm the biggest threat to a Noraa wagon. (Note: more likely I would expect that either world would kill someone unrelated to your wagon -- probably a middle-of-the-reads player with some garbo thoughts on the game, to attempt to send the town down that rabbit hole. But for the above, I wanted to focus on your wagon/defenders to show you how you're misreading what Pooky asked for as making a scum-Pooky-hits-LLD world impossible. It's far from it, it's just first order misdirection.)
ur right. pooky to LLD or you would look absolutely terrible for me. But I feel like he wouldn't do that anyways bc it would very very clearly be setting me up as limbait and if he flips red, I'm literally like big time conftown. But if he really wanted to set me up, something like an uno lim might actually be better. Cuz like uno been sussing me but not that hard. So scums would kill him bc 1)town gets nothing out of his lim(imo) and 2)he's mostly talked about me though he hasn't been the most aggressive pusher on my wagon
In post 2027, Gloria Cleary wrote:
This has been extremely informative. These game just increase my confidence in Noraa!town if anything. No where near the emotional range we’re seeing here and no lengthy nuanced detailed readlists in ANY of those games.
Conclusion: Noraa is either town or totally switched up her meta for this game. If there’s an very consistent overriding scumtell especially for newbs, it’s this one: making detailed and nuanced reads is extremely difficult for scum to do but she did that here.
@Noraa could you link some of your towngames, especially any posts where you made detailed readslists? That would be super helpful.
yeah I had a post where I attached a post from my recently finished town game that had a huge reads list. It's kinda messy cuz my stupid ass brain didn't choose to ISO
I'll go find it and quote it in a hot sec
In post 2081, UNOwen wrote: In post 1904, Noraa wrote:
I was at E-1 at one point but continued to just lurk until I found the perfect opportunity to direct attention elsewhere
A) 409 posts = semi-lurker, this is the difference between you and I
B) I skimmed around the areas you got put at E-1, the wagon pressure was much less intense
c) You posts
were
more controlled
I'm not entirely sure that was a productive use of my time.
I saw that you've got me as a town read from my ISO. In Bats I was pretty well tunneled all of day 1 but I still made a sincere effort to sort Redados, I have done nothing of the sort for you so far. Why are you cutting me so much slack here?
No. like 90% of those posts were on the last 2 days of the game. Before that I was 100% a semi lurker. Why you are a TR is an interesting question. I'm going to answer that in a bit when I figure out how to word it better cuz rn its mostly gut and vibes but there's something I can't quite put into words atm and I'll think on it a bit.
In post 2101, Titus wrote:
!pocketed
@Bell and Gloria,
The only possible way I see to save Noraa that I see is a scum!pooky vote who then votes Taylor who we then discuss who to vote for. I'm not saying this because I feel Noraa should be saved, I'm rather null on her. I just want scum!Pooky gone.
We aren't going to miseliminate Taylor first because that gives scum!Pooky a shot at obvtown.
wow when did I suddenly become a null? I remember being a SR until the consensus started shifting.
