Smoke-Filled Antechamber [Endgame]

[DiamondSentinel]

Yes, the extent of it was Midway, Cabd, Fferylt, Nahdia, and Peta, although Nahdia quickly hopped off for fferylt.

[midwaybear]

This setup seems sorta townsided lol

[DiamondSentinel]

Yes.

Have we gotten mod confirmation that there are 3 scum+traitor? Because with the amount of town PRs (plus the suicide bomber as a mafia, although they might be the weakest), we might be dealing with 4 mafia+traitor. Which puts us at 6/3 right now, making tomorrow LyLo.

Food for thought.

[DiamondSentinel]

(I'm specifically looking at the remaining 2 in the dethy, since you guys had info about the tot)

[Nahdia]

i quickly hopped off what now?

[Tammy]

The only thing we got in the dethy was that there was a traitor inside. We weren’t given any information that pertained you stuff outside the dethy

[SirCakez]

Fucking called Bell
Be here later very busy today

[petapan]

Well I actually wasn't basing it off of meta or any percieved understanding of how you play the game, but it was just a baseline expectation. If that's a bad habit of yours then I suppose I can be a bit more light, but meh.

i just don't understand at all how you're thinking someone pushing a wagon on town means they are not town. like what the fuck, people are wrong all the time in this game

[petapan]

Fucking called Bell

do not like

[petapan]

I'm officially not happy with the Bell wagon

I'm not happy with a lot of stuff right now.
Not a fan of midway's "highpost" strategy, as that pings my radar, but that goes for a lot of folks here.
I don't like Bell, but I like his wagon even less.
Compared to what I saw when peta was assassin (I've read through FGO a bit out of curiosity), I'm not really a fan of what he's doing here either.
I'm not a huge fan how there are no real in-betweens the 2 extremes of "spamming posts, half of which don't pertain to the game" and "complete ghosting".

oh right

fuck you

VOTE: DiamondSentinel

[petapan]

DS's reaction to the early bell wagon is a partner reaction. plain as day.

i had midway/bell as unaligned in my earlier reread, i was just firing from the hip on those but if i go back i think i can pull a decent reasoning as to why

[DiamondSentinel]

I'm officially not happy with the Bell wagon

I'm not happy with a lot of stuff right now.
Not a fan of midway's "highpost" strategy, as that pings my radar, but that goes for a lot of folks here.
I don't like Bell, but I like his wagon even less.
Compared to what I saw when peta was assassin (I've read through FGO a bit out of curiosity), I'm not really a fan of what he's doing here either.
I'm not a huge fan how there are no real in-betweens the 2 extremes of "spamming posts, half of which don't pertain to the game" and "complete ghosting".

oh right

fuck you

VOTE: DiamondSentinel

oh whaaa. You don't like that someone has called you out multiple times and has identified your D1 bus strategy.

[DiamondSentinel]

(That was supposed to be like the sound of a baby crying. Perhaps not the best spelling of that sound)

[petapan]

midway, Cabd, Syryana, give me your rational on why you're voting Bell. His is the biggest wagon and I'm curious why.

Also, we entirely positive they're an alt? Who for?

I'm officially not happy with the Bell wagon

I'm not happy with a lot of stuff right now.
Not a fan of midway's "highpost" strategy, as that pings my radar, but that goes for a lot of folks here.
I don't like Bell, but I like his wagon even less.
Compared to what I saw when peta was assassin (I've read through FGO a bit out of curiosity), I'm not really a fan of what he's doing here either.
I'm not a huge fan how there are no real in-betweens the 2 extremes of "spamming posts, half of which don't pertain to the game" and "complete ghosting".

This bell wagon really pings me as similar to perpetual mylo's string.

This bell wagon really pings me as similar to perpetual mylo's string.

I don't know this reference, can you please enlighten me

More directed at fferylt. But anyways, outa the gate 3 of my scum buddies started immediately hard-bussing me, and I didn't take the fake pressure well, so it really hamstrung us and pretty much lost us the game. Bell is not looking hot at all right now, but that wagon stinks.

Also, I don't have a decent alternative.

Can we get some coverage on Jake? I still feel pretty good about my vote on him. Others I'd be interested in voting include peta, cabd, and maybe Syr.

Bell's response really doesn't make me feel any better about them, but I'm not really sure what else we'd get out of it.

this is caught scum, you're welcome

[petapan]

the hedging where he feels the need to attack the wagon on ball but doesn't want to seem like he's outright defending him, so he says he doesn't like him - that's scum reacting to an early wagon on a partner

[petapan]

clears can buckle down and solve the game today. you need to find 2 townies out of 5.

[midwaybear]

This is probably the 1v1 I want today. Dethy also should have some cop results although I'm not sure how helpful they will be ultimately.

[petapan]

Fucking seriously. We could start a jam factory with how much there is.

Like I get this is sorta still RVS/shitposting stage, but come on

If you're scum just end me quick because I don't see myself reconsidering this read on you for a long time.

if (when) DS flips scum, keep this post in mind, because i do not think midway makes a post this cringe toward his partner

[midwaybear]

Yeah I already reconsidered haha

[petapan]

Yeah I already reconsidered haha

dw, it's not about your read, it's about you making that post in context and whether you'd do it toward a teammate

Midwaybear is a goddamned mystery.

VOTE: Midwaybear

Womp.

lol get out
I don't think you think I am scum

also this, as well. does this happen if you two are partners? i lean toward no

[petapan]

bell suicide bomb was a bush league play, i don't care if mafia were afraid of the PRs

[midwaybear]

Seemed like a somewhat decent move given that Bell was somewhat scumread

[Alisae]

Fucking called Bell
Be here later very busy today

????????

[petapan]

I'm going to elaborate a little on my 731.

Syr, Cabd and midwaybear have expectations of bell's play, somewhat informed by meta. petapan has much of the most salient meta front and center of his brain, too.

You three come to the same conclusion about Bell's alignment without openly discussing it.

I did not come to that conclusion, and at the point where Syr vocalized the meta, I went on high alert to see what happens next.

petapan happens next. Which means that he didn't reach my conclusion. But, why would he wait until the meta info hit the thread before voting if he was in the "I miss Avenger" camp?

Is this why there is a Bell wagon? Insider meta that was not really shared with the thread? Hmm ok..

Is this why there is a Bell wagon? Insider meta that was not really shared with the thread? Hmm ok..

eh not for me, mostly it was see cabd's vote, go back and look at bell's ISO to see if i can see whatever he sees, saw Bell was being super active lurker-ish so i followed the vote

I have not gotten that vibe from Bell. And Cabd's vote remains completely unexplained so not giving me any confidence there.

but yes i am still waiting for Nahdia to give me a reason to think they're town

Is this why there is a Bell wagon? Insider meta that was not really shared with the thread? Hmm ok..

eh not for me, mostly it was see cabd's vote, go back and look at bell's ISO to see if i can see whatever he sees, saw Bell was being super active lurker-ish so i followed the vote

I have not gotten that vibe from Bell. And Cabd's vote remains completely unexplained so not giving me any confidence there.

i did but i'm not going to iso-dive for you on a read i no longer have conviction in

Is this why there is a Bell wagon? Insider meta that was not really shared with the thread? Hmm ok..

eh not for me, mostly it was see cabd's vote, go back and look at bell's ISO to see if i can see whatever he sees, saw Bell was being super active lurker-ish so i followed the vote

I have not gotten that vibe from Bell. And Cabd's vote remains completely unexplained so not giving me any confidence there.

the explanation is in 817, which i predict you will not like

mmm ok
Your predication was right, I'm honestly baffled a wagon has formed off of this.

My main point of defense on DS earlier was that he was trying to make the game serious while people were still having fun nostalgia-ing and people were using that to attack him. Not his playstyle although that was a part.
I have not dug into DS's case but I think his point that Cabd is looking for approval and validation holds water. What would you call weird narrative building?

Same kinda thing, yeah.

I don't think Cabd was looking for approval or validation, certainly not from me, and I don't think he would regardless of his alignment. What I think was going on was him trying to drag me into the game. If he's town perhaps he wanted to see where my head was at and get a read on me. If he's scum he wanted to see where my head was at or look like he was trying to get a read on me.

The weird narrative building is the whole reasoning he came up with for why cabd was doing what he was doing while painting it in the worst possible light. I don't necessarily think it's coming from scum; it's entirely possible that it's a style of scumhunting that I neither agree with or understand really, nor am I confident in its accuracy. But I don't think it's unproductive to try to get him to dig a bit deeper in order to get a better read there.

Where do you see Cabd looking for approval and validation?

You think Cabd's playstyle was specifically to get you involved?
The whole thing where he was so hesitant to reveal the reasoning for the Bell SR despite being convicted about it reeked for one. Also like I've said some of his humourous posting (like the one I quoted on pg 36) seems to be trying to look good.

goodnight irene

[petapan]

i'm so FUCKING mad i had bell and let that shit slip but at least i can do this

that whole thing where cakez was criticizing bell's catchup post to ffery while telling him to vote taylor with him, man, i should have fucking known