mystery box of silver 10. (done)

[Bell]

This isn't really the kinda posting I was expecting on the weekend from White knight hero Jjh927.

Regarding the DDL "everyone thinks he's scum therefore the scum team does too"

Is a little difficult for me.

On the one hand they lost gamma which might make them hesitate to bus again (the scum team may suck) or at least no argue alternatives.
On the otherhand, Gamma. Was fairly close to a consensus kill in the thread.

[MathBlade]

What does the play tell you?

On jjh?

Nothing.

Scum-jjh used to be lurker-jjh, BUT, that meta is thoroughly obsolete, as not only,
1: has scum-jjh proven he can and will be a not-lurker, but also,
2: town-jjh has repeatedly time and time again demonstrated that he can and will be a lurker.

So jjh being a lurker here? By play is completely and utterly dead-null.

In terms of contributions for however sparse they may be though?

Still town, because:

Hey mastina, I was gonna vote Titus
Can you confirm once more your strong disagreement with this course of action

jjh's way of working with me felt town,

motifs of the series:

assignment of roles to town by mafia; heavy information to mafia;

night actions being determined by events (e.g., two players are assigned to collaboratively use a doctor ability); normal roles or otherwise non-flashy roles; uncertain guilties vs. certain innocents; setup fake-outs; vanilla by any other name tastes just as sweet.

Shit I missed this too

Okay my role is like, the worst imaginable that could be assigned to jjh927

Okay my role is like, the worst imaginable that could be assigned to jjh927

Yeah I wouldn't want to roll caught scum either :/

Nonono, someone has gone through a list of roles and assigned me the one that fits me and the way I tend to play the least

I am what they call an early game player because I actually find scum in the early game and then I get killed so I don't get to play in the late game
I only tend to see lategame when I have roles that can prevent me from dying, my record with which speaks for itself

I liked jjh's mechanical takes on things and feel he was being very genuine and sincere in this,

Yeah that wasn't a meme vote

I liked what little he did give, and,

Not too sure about it right now but then I also respect your play
Also chances are you're probably a mafia roleblocker

Given scum had a 1x alien, I liked this take on things even if the player he was using the logic on was town. (Basically, a good take.)

Are these strong reasons to townread jjh off of play?

Oh hell no, of course they're not. They're borderline-rvs-levels of "town indicators, but weak town indicators", because jjh hasn't given a lot.
But given the mechanical reasons are fairly strong...

So the TLDR is you’re doing what you did with April.

The specific thing I asked you not to do.

*sigh*

It’s like iioa wins with your hood.

[superbowl9]

I think for at least 3 separate reasons, A50 not being a realistic option for a scumkill is better for town than Norwee not being a realistic option for a scumkill

Let's hear it

[mastina]

I don't get it. You can't do this crap here.

I can and have, fairly successfully I might add; I've been one of the better players at doing so.

That being said, I'll admit/confess; my efforts here this game are less successful than in prior games because I can only guess, I can only assume, what schadd_ thought of the six nontown protowns. It's an admittedly huge variable in the setup because it's hard to gauge what schadd_ thought of our groups in terms of setup balance.

The heavy presence of third party throws off the ease of interpreting simple town/scum outguessing of the mod.

[Almost50]

I think for at least 3 separate reasons, A50 not being a realistic option for a scumkill is better for town than Norwee not being a realistic option for a scumkill

Let's hear it

Please, don't. We're on to something here, and you know it. Don't engage in "side-talk" even though I sense jjh's intentions are well and sincere.

[Almost50]

mastina, please get to the flesh of the matter.

We have a claim from Chemist now. 5525. This is what I summoned you from the PT to evaluate for me. THANK YOU

[Almost50]

And NOW -of all times- everybody goes SILENT!

I mean, just because it's MU shot doesn't mean you can't evaluate the claim you've just witnessed presented! ALL OF YOU.

@Bell: Why did you go silent on this matter??
@jjh: What do you think of that claim?
@Mathblade: Any comments regarding this?
@S_S: You're our resident mechanical expert, and your experience is well needed.

[Bell]

Did you not play that newyork game with me?

I'm about as qualified to comment on game balance as a rubber duck.

I read it, but I just plain didn't know what to say.

[MathBlade]

And NOW -of all times- everybody goes SILENT!

I mean, just because it's MU shot doesn't mean you can't evaluate the claim you've just witnessed presented! ALL OF YOU.

@Bell: Why did you go silent on this matter??
@jjh: What do you think of that claim?
@Mathblade: Any comments regarding this?
@S_S: You're our resident mechanical expert, and your experience is well needed.

I already asked a question to Chemist.

To give my opinion spoils that question. I generally like to know the why behind the what. Scum are good at faking what’s but not why’s.

[Almost50]

@Math: OK. Let's wait till you do get your answer.
@Bell: I am not asking you to so a whole setup spec. I am asking if you believe that claim or if you see anything wrong with it.

[MathBlade]

@Math: OK. Let's wait till you do get your answer.
@Bell: I am not asking you to so a whole setup spec. I am asking if you believe that claim or if you see anything wrong with it.

I guess since you brought up setup spec I think this has to be looked at very differently for balance.

Using traditional methods imho fails. This is not in regards to any particular claim this is in regards to overall and my theory.

[mastina]

What reason do you have to believe the ungated ascetic claim??

Because,
1: ascetic is a passive role, not an activated role, therefore, is not a role that schadd_'s likely to tack on modifiers for,
2: ascetic is a bad role to put modifiers like x-shot on because with it as a passive action, handling how players target you is rather awkward,
3: ascetic is one of schadd_'s favorite roles to put into games as either alignment; schadd_ almost always has an ascetic in his games. Like, 80+% of schadd_ games have an ascetic in them. These ascetic roles are never gated.

So the ungated ascetic claim is 100% truthful; the only question is whether the role is town or scum and I believe both from play and setup spec that it's more likely to be a town role.

[MathBlade]

What reason do you have to believe the ungated ascetic claim??

Because,
1: ascetic is a passive role, not an activated role, therefore, is not a role that schadd_'s likely to tack on modifiers for,
2: ascetic is a bad role to put modifiers like x-shot on because with it as a passive action, handling how players target you is rather awkward,
3: ascetic is one of schadd_'s favorite roles to put into games as either alignment; schadd_ almost always has an ascetic in his games. Like, 80+% of schadd_ games have an ascetic in them. These ascetic roles are never gated.

So the ungated ascetic claim is 100% truthful; the only question is whether the role is town or scum and I believe both from play and setup spec that it's more likely to be a town role.

Didn’t you literally just say play is null?

[superbowl9]

What reason do you have to believe the ungated ascetic claim??

Because,
1: ascetic is a passive role, not an activated role, therefore, is not a role that schadd_'s likely to tack on modifiers for,
2: ascetic is a bad role to put modifiers like x-shot on because with it as a passive action, handling how players target you is rather awkward,
3: ascetic is one of schadd_'s favorite roles to put into games as either alignment; schadd_ almost always has an ascetic in his games. Like, 80+% of schadd_ games have an ascetic in them. These ascetic roles are never gated.

So the ungated ascetic claim is 100% truthful; the only question is whether the role is town or scum and I believe both from play and setup spec that it's more likely to be a town role.

This makes sense and I agree with it but I'm still reserving a doubt card after your april thing

[Bell]

@Math: OK. Let's wait till you do get your answer.
@Bell: I am not asking you to so a whole setup spec. I am asking if you believe that claim or if you see anything wrong with it.

if I thought something was especially off I would have said something anyway.
it's a little odd that they half claimed out of nowhere? I'm not sure. We have a tracker and motion detector flipped. S_S thinks the mass investigator is some kind of scum aligned role? So half assed investigators part tres might make sense? It doesn't seem like a very good fake claim to me.

[Bell]

This is an invitation for Chemist to explain why they decided to claim now btw.

[TheGoldenParadox]

What reason do you have to believe the ungated ascetic claim??

Because,
1: ascetic is a passive role, not an activated role, therefore, is not a role that schadd_'s likely to tack on modifiers for,
2: ascetic is a bad role to put modifiers like x-shot on because with it as a passive action, handling how players target you is rather awkward,
3: ascetic is one of schadd_'s favorite roles to put into games as either alignment; schadd_ almost always has an ascetic in his games. Like, 80+% of schadd_ games have an ascetic in them. These ascetic roles are never gated.

So the ungated ascetic claim is 100% truthful; the only question is whether the role is town or scum and I believe both from play and setup spec that it's more likely to be a town role.

Didn’t you literally just say play is null?

did you READ her post?

[Almost50]

This is an invitation for Chemist to explain why they decided to claim now btw.

Check 5496

[Nero Cain]

This is an invitation for Chemist to explain why they decided to claim now btw.

b/c she was asked/told to by a50

[mastina]

Its amazing you guys are not focusing on the mechanical inconsistency that April detected motion from titus and madrina says he can't.

Instead you're just doing the small brained play on shoving me down. Like those tho are saying 3p is town and should never be executing are like communist apologists.

Math blade if you think that a clear contradiction is just a 'little thing' you're a truly awful player

For the record.

These are the posts of a playerslot that some people for some reason seem to be defending as being town.

When they're pretty blatant scumplaining to me.

[MathBlade]

@TGP
So jjh being a lurker here? By play is completely and utterly dead-null.

5546

Did you?

[MathBlade]

Excuse the number typo mobile

[TheGoldenParadox]

In terms of contributions for however sparse they may be though?

Still town

[MathBlade]

Its amazing you guys are not focusing on the mechanical inconsistency that April detected motion from titus and madrina says he can't.

Instead you're just doing the small brained play on shoving me down. Like those tho are saying 3p is town and should never be executing are like communist apologists.

Math blade if you think that a clear contradiction is just a 'little thing' you're a truly awful player

For the record.

These are the posts of a playerslot that some people for some reason seem to be defending as being town.

When they're pretty blatant scumplaining to me.

Now there I am agreeing with you.

As I said before nuke all three. I don’t care.

But if Chemists claim ...(must not spoil active question)

[MathBlade]

In terms of contributions for however sparse they may be though?

Still town

You’re failing to see the point. I dunno if it’s intentional or not.

She said by play (no qualifiers null)
Then she said by play (no qualifiers) town.

There is something up with that.