Death Curse

[Theta Alpine]

Adorable and Noraa scumbuddies? That's a corker of a bus if that's the case. Shelly is implicated in this quite heavily and is someone I need to read over anyway.

No Adorable is town

this is a really random misrep

are you accusing flea of misrep here

shelly please respond to this

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm not sure how much more townie I could get for you Bell.

[Noraa]

I did see the scum part. It was light shade which is interesting but I also didn't understand why you decided to say that out of nowhere ... like it didn't make sense to me in the context but I was like eh whatever I'll come back to it if I start getting paranoid bell is scum.

[MURDERCAT]

How do you get a joint iso a la the one in the VCs? I feel like I used to know how to do that but I've forgotten.

[MURDERCAT]

Oh I'm dumb nevermind

[Noraa]

The plus [+]

[Bell]

It makes more sense if you think about it form the perspective of town Bell that really doesn't enjoy getting miseliminated due to dropped associations.

I don't really take sides in a more literal/philosophical sense. While pooky got your back. More like than not I never have your back unless I think it's sound. If I think you're town but are making bad arguments I will say your arguments are bad, but you're still town.
Similarly, I'm town so I dunno if you're sum Noraa, so I react to each new post with honest appraisal.

@Pooky, I'm not sure either regarding my play this game. But here you are, thinking I'm scum with noraa.

[Noraa]

I have been asking everyone to look at this game from a town!Noraa perspective so I'll put some thought into what you might be thinking.
I think your thought process(simplified) looks like this:

Pooky keeps associating me with this scummy af slot which feels like he's trying to get both of us limmed asap so I think he is scum

I think that's the basis of it right?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

which scummy af slot am I associating you with Noraa?

[Noraa]

read that again. slowly this time.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

you know Bell is townreading you right?

[Bell]

No. I just think if you're scum you're going to get flipped first and that the associations are going to make it annoying for me not to be killed.

If you flip town I'll probably get the case that Bell was scum knowing Noraa was town which is why he defended her when most other players thought she was scum.
Though I've already gotten the midway point where I'm soft defending you, but not hard defending you so that when you flip town or scum I'll be perfectly positioned to not take blame for it.

The point being is that people have sliced this cake so many ways and I've played just enough games of mafia to recognize the folly of people's perspectives and the exasperation of all these different perspetives coalescing into being pressured later for bad reasons.

Think of it as me complaining to future me and trying to cut this in the bud regardless of what you flip because I'm being ultra self-aware and town that likes being town read and want it that way.

[Bell]

Wow, looking at that I seem sort of insane don't I?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I guess Bell is just scum no matter what.

Sorry Future Bell.

[Bell]

I guess Bell is just scum no matter what.

Sorry Future Bell.

Well you should probably vote me then, buttercup.
I'll just hand the scroll to Shelly. So it won't even hurt you to do it unless you're partners with her.

[Bell]

I blame all of you for this(tongue in cheek), Association pointing before flips is going to lead to association defending before flips and we haven't even established if they're scum yet

[Bell]

What a severe waste of brain power.

[Noraa]

you know Bell is townreading you right?

yeah

No. I just think if you're scum you're going to get flipped first and that the associations are going to make it annoying for me not to be killed.

If you flip town I'll probably get the case that Bell was scum knowing Noraa was town which is why he defended her when most other players thought she was scum.
Though I've already gotten the midway point where I'm soft defending you, but not hard defending you so that when you flip town or scum I'll be perfectly positioned to not take blame for it.

The point being is that people have sliced this cake so many ways and I've played just enough games of mafia to recognize the folly of people's perspectives and the exasperation of all these different perspetives coalescing into being pressured later for bad reasons.

Think of it as me complaining to future me and trying to cut this in the bud regardless of what you flip because I'm being ultra self-aware and town that likes being town read and want it that way.

Well, you'll get called out for scum TMI-ing if I flip before you but I mean plenty of people think I'm town and you def arent the person that I think everyone would go after whenever I flip green. I'd definitely say that Taylor is who the scums would go for as mislim bait and I am glad she saw the town in me but I'm pretty sad that she might get sussed for it. I think she should be able to hold up tho especially with mush's help.

[Noraa]

I blame all of you for this(tongue in cheek), Association pointing before flips is going to lead to association defending before flips and we haven't even established if they're scum yet

there's a shit ton of preflip analysis and that's one of the main reasons I think fidget is scum. Cuz fidget literally based everything off of me being scum and I find that hilarious cuz it gives her a perfect reason to basically not have reads the day after I die cuz its like "oh whoopsie daisy so she wasn't scum after all eh? *nervous laughter*"

[MUSHSHAGANA]

Murdercat input on who is probably the most strongly positioned player currently active too, maybe? I'm cooking something.

What do you mean by strongly positioned exactly?

Sorry for the delay.

Town leader figures, obvtown showing strong solving mindsets, that sort of thing -- the player currently active who town never, ever gives the scroll. But specifically from your perspective. Not just your strongest townread, but the currently active (like, "significant chunk of posting in the past 24 hours") player you think is everyone's strongest townread.

"None" is an okay answer but I'd prefer it if you reached a little bit for a name too.

[Bell]

I blame all of you for this(tongue in cheek), Association pointing before flips is going to lead to association defending before flips and we haven't even established if they're scum yet

there's a shit ton of preflip analysis and that's one of the main reasons I think fidget is scum. Cuz fidget literally based everything off of me being scum and I find that hilarious cuz it gives her a perfect reason to basically not have reads the day after I die cuz its like "oh whoopsie daisy so she wasn't scum after all eh? *nervous laughter*"

good point.

[MURDERCAT]

Murdercat input on who is probably the most strongly positioned player currently active too, maybe? I'm cooking something.

What do you mean by strongly positioned exactly?

Sorry for the delay.

Town leader figures, obvtown showing strong solving mindsets, that sort of thing -- the player currently active who town never, ever gives the scroll. But specifically from your perspective. Not just your strongest townread, but the currently active (like, "significant chunk of posting in the past 24 hours") player you think is everyone's strongest townread.

"None" is an okay answer but I'd prefer it if you reached a little bit for a name too.

I believe LLD is the consensus answer here if you count her as active. Other than that I think it is probably you? Or maybe even me, though I hope not because I kind of just wanted to show up and shoot scum. I'm also not sure how active I am

As for my personal assessment I'd give it to LLD before you actually, though that is partly because I am aware how deadly LLD is as scum. It's why the possibility of scum Noraa passing to town LLD doesn't really phase me.

Hopefully that's a good enough answer?

[Noraa]

I blame all of you for this(tongue in cheek), Association pointing before flips is going to lead to association defending before flips and we haven't even established if they're scum yet

there's a shit ton of preflip analysis and that's one of the main reasons I think fidget is scum. Cuz fidget literally based everything off of me being scum and I find that hilarious cuz it gives her a perfect reason to basically not have reads the day after I die cuz its like "oh whoopsie daisy so she wasn't scum after all eh? *nervous laughter*"

good point.

To clarify a bit more tho, I think Fidget has based literally every single read off a red Noraa flip. Like I don't even think LLD has done that and that's a bit concerning.

[Noraa]

Like EVERY. SINGLE. READ
no joke

[Nero Cain]

mine