Smoke-Filled Antechamber [Endgame]

[Tammy]

well for example based on the last couple pages i have a stronger townread on SS and scumreads on peta and bell.

Well here’s gamma’s rule of three :p

[Alisae]

well for example based on the last couple pages i have a stronger townread on SS and scumreads on peta and bell.

Well here’s gamma’s rule of three :p

oh no

[DiamondSentinel]

You're suggesting this would be a Day 3 large game and that's just insane

No, I suggested a 4 day game.

[Tammy]

well for example based on the last couple pages i have a stronger townread on SS and scumreads on peta and bell.

Well here’s gamma’s rule of three :p

oh no

I know that looking at Taylor’s reads is all who knows but I was interested in the conclusions we drew from ffery’s big interaction post. I think we thought at that time that she did not interact with her masters, but maybe she did.

[Alisae]

You're suggesting this would be a Day 3 large game and that's just insane

No, I suggested a 4 day game.

im too high to be playing mafia holy shit

[petapan]

well for example based on the last couple pages i have a stronger townread on SS and scumreads on peta and bell.

Well here’s gamma’s rule of three :p

oh no

I know that looking at Taylor’s reads is all who knows but I was interested in the conclusions we drew from ffery’s big interaction post. I think we thought at that time that she did not interact with her masters, but maybe she did.

i didn't want to go down this route because it's very subject to interpretation, but:

Today is reserved for an outing with grandparents.
See you tomorrow.

grandparents, you say? I happen to know for a fact that grandparents are plants sent here by the scumteam to distract us. Since Bell is cooperating with them, bell is probably scum too.

[Tammy]

well for example based on the last couple pages i have a stronger townread on SS and scumreads on peta and bell.

Well here’s gamma’s rule of three :p

oh no

I know that looking at Taylor’s reads is all who knows but I was interested in the conclusions we drew from ffery’s big interaction post. I think we thought at that time that she did not interact with her masters, but maybe she did.

i didn't want to go down this route because it's very subject to interpretation, but:

Today is reserved for an outing with grandparents.
See you tomorrow.

grandparents, you say? I happen to know for a fact that grandparents are plants sent here by the scumteam to distract us. Since Bell is cooperating with them, bell is probably scum too.

I almost posted this but decided against it, but yeah I’m reading that as a crumb.

[Tammy]

VoteCount 2.7

SirCakez [1] - Bell
The Bulge [7] - petapan, DiamondSentinel, Gamma Emerald, SirCakez, Cabd, fferyllt, midwaybear
Nahdia [1] - The Bulge

Not Voting [6]

- Something_Smart, Tammy, PookyTheMagicalBear, Jake The Wolfie, Nahdia, Alisae

With 15 alive it takes 8 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2020-10-23 20:35:31)

Something kinda puzzling. Bell could have hammered here. He’s posting right at this point, but responds to bulges question about what he’s doing here by moving his vote from cakez to nahdia.

[petapan]

I almost posted this but decided against it, but yeah I’m reading that as a crumb.

lmao i avoided doing it until you brought it up because it wasn't necessarily a road i wanted to go down, but people can draw their own conclusions

[Tammy]

Read up on all his scum games and about half his town games.
I went back and read all his posts to make sure it was missing. It wasn’t, he’s made two game health posts that are styled differently than they were then. But those posts seem totally absent from his scum games. He seems a little more indecisive as scum except when he gets a freebie then he seems to latch on.

Hmm. You’ve played with Nahdia before and used meta on them as scum.
DS, Nahdia what do you think of each other?

Is the metareading here talking about ds?

It looks like it is?

[Alisae]

You've also played with Nahdia before and used meta on them as scum
makes me think its to DS

[Tammy]

I'm sensitive to self meta and personality.
They freely admitted without even really being prompted for a reason they were being floaty and under committed as scum.
Here they're doing the exact opposite and I doubt their confrontational style changed. I would argue that how they admitted to it in that game would have been something that would ping me as being very different from their town game.
Here it's less clear. Consider me :\ with Alisae.

No, I think they're town for the game health posts They made. On the otherhand Gamma has a point about that town cluster wedge, they weren't aware of the game state at the time so it might have been something they felt they had to do.
I think DS can probably be read on whether their posts lean towards a pro-social or anti-social mindset.

The field is extremely narrow, the stakes feel fairly low. But Peta has a genuine point about complacency. So far, I don't have enough from DS to put them higher or lower then where they are. It was I think a waste of time to meta them with a 4 year hiatus and I feel dumb now.

He’s referring to DS

[Tammy]

You've also played with Nahdia before and used meta on them as scum
makes me think its to DS

Yeah I was leaning that way, but bells posts were so weird. Thought he might have been talking to ffery also about s-s, but it was ds for sure.

[Tammy]

Oh right gamma didn’t think it was fair for me to call bells post a svum post pblt gamma!

[petapan]

should i do the assassin thing where i go through everyone's interactions with bell in detail

it's likely that he planned on his time being limited and tried to obfuscate things with that in mind, but there may still be some value in it

i already think diamond and cakez look like crap with how they treated the early wagon on bell but i'm willing to go the extra mile here to go over everything with a fine toothed comb

[SirCakez]

too tired for posting will be here tomorrow

[Tammy]

Only if you want to!

I’m probably gonna fall asleep before I get too far rereading, but I remember why I liked midway bear early day one.

369. Lol, and this is midways response to bells omgus vote. Feels not partnery?

[DiamondSentinel]

Only if you want to!

I’m probably gonna fall asleep before I get too far rereading, but I remember why I liked midway bear early day one.

369. Lol, and this is midways response to bells omgus vote. Feels not partnery?

Hmm, tell me more. I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

[Tammy]

Only if you want to!

I’m probably gonna fall asleep before I get too far rereading, but I remember why I liked midway bear early day one.

369. Lol, and this is midways response to bells omgus vote. Feels not partnery?

Hmm, tell me more. I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

Do you disagree?

[Tammy]

This bell wagon really pings me as similar to perpetual mylo's string.

I don't know this reference, can you please enlighten me

More directed at fferylt. But anyways, outa the gate 3 of my scum buddies started immediately hard-bussing me, and I didn't take the fake pressure well, so it really hamstrung us and pretty much lost us the game. Bell is not looking hot at all right now, but that wagon stinks.

Also, I don't have a decent alternative.

You’re referring to the bell wagon here. Why did you compare it to your game you were bussed in?

[Tammy]

heh bell omgussed midwaybear, peta (more than once), and cakez, but did not omgus vote cabd while he was trying to stir up paranoia on cabd. Mostly just find this amusing rather than this meaning anything for the players involved.

[Tammy]

Can we get some coverage on Jake? I still feel pretty good about my vote on him. Others I'd be interested in voting include peta, cabd, and maybe Syr.

Bell's response really doesn't make me feel any better about them, but I'm not really sure what else we'd get out of it.

i have seen it said offsite that listing names in the "w, x, y, or maybe z" is scummy, though. don't have enough experience to go "yeah this is scum" but i'm raising an eyebrow at the format here (does remind me of a Titus-Saber post though)

(could care less that i'm one of the names here and would probably like him on the merit of

who

he's naming, just the

way

he's doing it pings)

quoting this post because this is where I'll pick back up when I come back to reading.

This point in the game might be kind of important though. Cabd's been pushing bell at this point and the wagon has started to rise some. DS has made the post about the bell wagon that peta pointed out last night, and DS pops in to remind us all that bell looks bad but he learned nothing, and cabd, syr, peta and me need some pressure. The way he was trying to push Cabd as looking horrible for asking me to respond to his reads was icky then is icky now. Anyway trying to discredit Cabd while Cabd is pushing scum is a tactic.

(Also wanted to quote this post because I chuckled at the formatting thing. I know I've made several posts in this format as town. Wanted to mention that at the time, but it wasn't something I wanted to pick at heh.)

I have some other thoughts building up from my reread but I'm running late now and have to go. I'm hoping to be mostly done with my reread today.

[Tammy]

Yeah if Peta is scum I don’t think he was thinking about the late game which to me would seem like he’s making a mistake so I don’t exactly think that scum!peta would make a mistake like that?
Either way I’ll let you re-read

Pedit: I don’t think Cakez ever wins late game and I think you’re the only person who can if you decided to employ a deepwolf strategy

Pedit2: Also I just remembered that Cakez saying that Bulge almost AtE’d out of being the lynch is just so bad

Oh real quick I wanted to circle back to this.

Strong scum do things like this all the time though? I mean how many times have you seen LLD or Fate or Faraday or any other player with a strong scum game not push through or try to appear tunneled on a town wagon? I don't think it's a mistake to get town mislynched as scum; you're doing your job. The trick is to make it look like you believe the read. I don't want to argue this point though. Both my dead masons townread peta and I do want to rely on that, but I am going into this reread keeping my mind open.

It would be awesome if it's just DS/Cakez. At one time I had a solve of ds/bell/gamma, and I never felt quite comfortable with the town read on DS or cakezish. Things are rarely that easy though.

[petapan]

Can we get some coverage on Jake? I still feel pretty good about my vote on him. Others I'd be interested in voting include peta, cabd, and maybe Syr.

Bell's response really doesn't make me feel any better about them, but I'm not really sure what else we'd get out of it.

i have seen it said offsite that listing names in the "w, x, y, or maybe z" is scummy, though. don't have enough experience to go "yeah this is scum" but i'm raising an eyebrow at the format here (does remind me of a Titus-Saber post though)

(could care less that i'm one of the names here and would probably like him on the merit of

who

he's naming, just the

way

he's doing it pings)

quoting this post because this is where I'll pick back up when I come back to reading.

This point in the game might be kind of important though. Cabd's been pushing bell at this point and the wagon has started to rise some. DS has made the post about the bell wagon that peta pointed out last night, and DS pops in to remind us all that bell looks bad but he learned nothing, and cabd, syr, peta and me need some pressure. The way he was trying to push Cabd as looking horrible for asking me to respond to his reads was icky then is icky now. Anyway trying to discredit Cabd while Cabd is pushing scum is a tactic.

(Also wanted to quote this post because I chuckled at the formatting thing. I know I've made several posts in this format as town. Wanted to mention that at the time, but it wasn't something I wanted to pick at heh.)

I have some other thoughts building up from my reread but I'm running late now and have to go. I'm hoping to be mostly done with my reread today.

would also note that bell shit on me for criticizing that post. at the time i thought the post by DS was gutsy but given what we now know...

Strong scum do things like this all the time though? I mean how many times have you seen LLD or Fate or Faraday or any other player with a strong scum game not push through or try to appear tunneled on a town wagon? I don't think it's a mistake to get town mislynched as scum; you're doing your job. The trick is to make it look like you believe the read. I don't want to argue this point though. Both my dead masons townread peta and I do want to rely on that, but I am going into this reread keeping my mind open.

in this scenario, i think, i'd have taken the gas off yesterday, let the clears drive a wagon through, because i could then save bulge for a push later down the line

[Tammy]

Entirely likely yeah.

I mostly just want to make sure I don’t write someone off as town for faulty reasoning.

If I believe you’re town that makes me feel better about my own misgivings on DS and makes this game easier.

I think the town in this pool have a bit easier of a go at it here because you have one more clear than I have which makes narrowing down the pool easier.