mystery box of silver 10. (done)

[MathBlade]

You wrote 5 paragraphs to say 5 words

Lean scum on chemists claim

What she just wrote is short for Mastina.

[superbowl9]

You wrote 5 paragraphs to say 5 words

Lean scum on chemists claim

It seems to work dude maybe you should try it and you’ll pick up a TR

[DrDolittle]

FL was gaining momentum before he got frustrated and replaced out. But the mastina meta argument was disengenuous, that was fl s town meta and even a bad player like me noticed it

[DiamondSentinel]

Alright. That makes me feel a lot better about this. Titus' hood notwithstanding, I

really

don't like MM/SB's hood (I don't remember their third). While they may not be "scum", I don't think that they are town-aligned with their wincon at all. There are 2 of the 3 members who are super scummy.

PEdit: Hmm, with A50? Well, if they're not the "scum faction", I don't feel bad about thinking that they're a non-town aligned King (although is that an innate part of their role or did they get it from the peanut gallery?

Titus claimed it iirc.

That's what I thought, but I wasn't entirely certain. I do want a hard answer though about the nature of this kingmaker.

Alright. That makes me feel a lot better about this. Titus' hood notwithstanding, I

really

don't like MM/SB's hood (I don't remember their third). While they may not be "scum", I don't think that they are town-aligned with their wincon at all. There are 2 of the 3 members who are super scummy.

PEdit: Hmm, with A50? Well, if they're not the "scum faction", I don't feel bad about thinking that they're a non-town aligned King (although is that an innate part of their role or did they get it from the peanut gallery?

HOW DUDE? HOW DO YOU NOT KNOW BASIC MECHANICAL INFO AT THIS STAGEEEEEEEEE

I don't write things down and this is nearly 6k posts in about 20 days. You can't hardly blame me for not keeping up with this 100% when you guys are constantly shitposting. Plus, my memory is notoriously bad about things. I am paying some semblance of attention and I keep a bit of the info in my mind, but I just have a hard time retaining it all.

Sue me.

[superbowl9]

I don't write things down and this is nearly 6k posts in about 20 days. You can't hardly blame me for not keeping up with this 100% when you guys are constantly shitposting. Plus, my memory is notoriously bad about things. I am paying some semblance of attention and I keep a bit of the info in my mind, but I just have a hard time retaining it all.

Sue me.

Im gonna not respond to this for my mental health

[MathBlade]

I don't write things down and this is nearly 6k posts in about 20 days. You can't hardly blame me for not keeping up with this 100% when you guys are constantly shitposting. Plus, my memory is notoriously bad about things. I am paying some semblance of attention and I keep a bit of the info in my mind, but I just have a hard time retaining it all.

Sue me.

Im gonna not respond to this for my mental health

Tag. You’re tagged out sb.

I got this (or ask your hood mates). I will get him caught up if he asks something.

Besides more ways to hunt him.

[mastina]

Is there any context at all about what the reaction might mean? Why does that reaction not match up with April's claim?

it's indicative of what ability/abilities get used on the target

For the record.
Brand new thought that I never posted to the neighborhood, so y'all not in the neighborhood won't feel excluded, you out here get it first before even they do.

Nobody, to my knowledge.

Has pointed out this:

titus n1 "glad to

see

it"

What are Action Investigation roles, including

watchers

,

voyeurs

, and yes Motion Detectors, generally depicted as flavorwise doing? You know.
Watching someone.
With your eyes.
As in.

Seeing

something.
Glad to

see

.

As in, hinting that Titus was visited by an Action Investigation role.

This leads me to feel that Misty really has the "glad to see" result on Titus.
The only question is whether she has it as town or has it as scum.

But I don't think she'd fakeclaim this detail then not be able to have interpreted it because apparently I am literally the first person in the game to have connected this dot.

[Nero Cain]

pat yoself on the back

[DiamondSentinel]

I won't have other questions until I hear about the nature of this kingmaker.

[mastina]

I need to finish the catchup and bring everything together. My gut is objectively wrong as it conflicts with info from this part of the game, so I don't think it's worth me putting any of those reads on paper at present

For the record, jjh.

I'm not gonna pull the same mistake as I did in Jingle's large and actively contribute to your death, but.

I will certainly swoop to the level of not defending you if I don't see you air your thoughts out, even if you know they're wrong.

I want to see what you're thinking even if it does conflict.

[MathBlade]

@Math, I am cooperating. There's only so far we can "cooperate". We're never going to be persuaded on arguments we know to be false.

You want to be heard on arguments we know to be false.
You want to feel like your arguments on things we know to be false have a chance.
We literally cannot give you that chance without being antitown.

You want to feel heard on mastina scum by the council of 7.
The council knows that to be false.

Because of this, you dig your heels in deeper because we won't cooperate and explain.

There's a difference between not trusting our claims and tossing our reads out because of us townreading each other. Nero and I strongly disagree with our reads on you. That's ok. We're both town.

You do nothing to persuade Nero that you're town by insisting we must cooperate, when we've done literally all we can. I have depants where I could (even to when I arguably shouldn't regarding the kingmaker protecting A50).

I'd love to discuss my SS read with you. It has nothing to do with the 3p situation (minus them buddying you).

@DS

[mastina]

Didn’t you literally just say play is null?

Not exactly.
I said I felt jjh's relative inactivity, jjh's lurkiness, jjh's lack of contributions to the game, jjh's lack of overall content, which is the majority of his 'play' this game, is null, because I don't think it is an accurate indicator of his alignment, even though it used to be.

I feel that what little content/play he has given in spite of the inactivity, lurkiness, and lack of contributions, does indicate loosely town.

[mastina]

This makes sense and I agree with it but I'm still reserving a doubt card after your april thing

This is fair and I deserve the doubt.

[mastina]

She said by play (no qualifiers null)
Then she said by play (no qualifiers) town. There is something up with that.

Because the first did have a qualifier, about jjh's lurkiness. His lack of activity doesn't tell me his alignment; what he has done, does.

[MathBlade]

Didn’t you literally just say play is null?

Not exactly.
I said I felt jjh's relative inactivity, jjh's lurkiness, jjh's lack of contributions to the game, jjh's lack of overall content, which is the majority of his 'play' this game, is null, because I don't think it is an accurate indicator of his alignment, even though it used to be.

I feel that what little content/play he has given in spite of the inactivity, lurkiness, and lack of contributions, does indicate loosely town.

Way too long a time for no content. Lurker is pretty much autoscum for me. Especially with how many 3Ps exist.

Jjh needs to pull a miracle for me to see him as town.

[TheGoldenParadox]

Lurker is pretty much autoscum for me. Especially with how many 3Ps exist

haven't we established as a site that activity level is a horrible way to judge alignment?

[MathBlade]

Lurker is pretty much autoscum for me. Especially with how many 3Ps exist

haven't we established as a site that activity level is a horrible way to judge alignment?

Lurker in a theme = autodeath? That was the rules a year ago ish.

Did that change?

[mastina]

How did your reads change?

Soft-reset on the majority of players.

Before you might've noted that all of {you, jjh, shelly} with potential additions of {Something_Smart, TheGoldenParadox} were hard-locked as the highest tier of conftown, up with the actual conftown tier in spite of no mechanical reasons for you to belong in that tier.

None of those five were completely above suspicion, nor are they even now, although I just so happen to maintain my belief that both you and Something_Smart are far more likely to be town than scum and feel jjh's reasons for being town are still good.

Slots like shelly, GoldenParadox, Bell, Misty, and probably more got pretty definitely reevaluated.
I softened up on Tayl0r being scum because I was more willing to acknowledge the towniness in Tayl0r's posts in spite of the very very scum-indicative interactions from both Tayl0r's end (hard Gamma defender) and Gamma's end (not pushing Tayl0r when he should have pushed her).

Basically everyone in the non-conftown pile got reevaluated with me resolving to not push hard for my stance over any of them, but I also didn't want to go silent, so when I disagree I'm voicing my disagreements and explaining why but trying not to

push

that stance.

I did give extensive thoughts on most players in the neighborhood, again, fully intended to show them to you right now but am too tired to eloquently push them.

A tl;dr version tho, outside the seven confirmed players, this was what I came up with towniest to scummiest, loosely speaking. (I really don't want it to just be a readslist, but it'll have to do.)

Mathblade (you're in my "removed from execution candidacy" list right now)
Something_Smart (also removed from execution candidacy in my opinion)

jjh927
Pickaxe Pete
(Personally I'd remove from candidacy if not for being in the list of three; both jjh and Pickaxe Pete I feel are town)

DiamondSentinel
TheGoldenParadox
(Not removed, but among the least likely of the names: could flip scum, but are less likely to than others here)

Bell
(hard to get locked down)

shellyc/samantha97
Chemist1422/Christøpher
Tayl0r Swift
(Among the most likely)

DrDolittle
(by far the most likely to flip scum)

[MathBlade]

Cool it seemed like you hadn’t reset so I was concerned. This is good. I don’t agree with some of it, but it’s good to know you actually reset or are really good at faking it (less and less likely).

[Bell]

Ordinary town/King Doris Donnatello's Army.
NorwegianBoyee -
MathBlade-
shellyc-
Something_Smart-
Chemist1422- Gosippee: N1 target Titus. N2 Target: ?
jjh927 - Aesthetic
Tayl0r Swift - VT
Pickaxe Pete-
DiamondSentinel-
TheGoldenParadox-
DrDolittle-

Flips:
Gamma: King Doris Donnaello's army: 1 Shot alien
Ban Hydras: Killed N1. VT.
Menalque: Killed N1. Town tracker.
AprilLudgate: Eliminated D2. Town motion detector. N1 target Titus.
PlusJoyed: Killed N2. disloyal odd-night alignment cop inventor.


The Council: Not confirmed town to one another. They deduced that they were all town.
Win condition: Slight conflicting accounts: Stated at least one of them must be on every scum elimination.

They have two PT's: One for Nerocain, Mastina and Titus and a separate neighborhood with Nerocain, mastina, titus, A50 and NorwegianBoyee.
Titus: Neighborizor.
Mastina:mason(?) tracker-inventor N2 doctor. N1: Made Mena a tracker. N2: ? That's fine.
Nerocain: Some sort of god king hammer giver.
A50: Recruited N1. Still considered town+ and their win condition has not been altered.
Norwegianboyee: Recruited N2. Mechanically cleared. Still considered town and their win condition has not been altered?

Gouthwits health interns: Confirmed town+ to one another.
Win Condition: More closely aligned with town's win condition than the councils'.
Morning Mage.
A50
SB

Am I missing anything?

[mastina]

I'm trying to figure out which people are town rebelling and which one's are scum pretending to be town rebelling. DDL fits neatly into the latter.

Agreed.

[DiamondSentinel]

Ordinary town/King Doris Donnatello's Army.
NorwegianBoyee -
MathBlade-
shellyc-
Something_Smart-
Chemist1422- Gosippee: N1 target Titus. N2 Target: ?
jjh927 - Aesthetic
Tayl0r Swift - VT
Pickaxe Pete-
DiamondSentinel-
TheGoldenParadox-
DrDolittle-

Flips:
Gamma: King Doris Donnaello's army: 1 Shot alien
Ban Hydras: Killed N1. VT.
Menalque: Killed N1. Town tracker.
AprilLudgate: Eliminated D2. Town motion detector. N1 target Titus.
PlusJoyed: Killed N2. disloyal odd-night alignment cop inventor.


The Council: Not confirmed town to one another. They deduced that they were all town.
Win condition: Slight conflicting accounts: Stated at least one of them must be on every scum elimination.

They have two PT's: One for Nerocain, Mastina and Titus and a separate neighborhood with Nerocain, mastina, titus, A50 and NorwegianBoyee.
Titus: Neighborizor.
Mastina:mason(?) tracker-inventor N2 doctor. N1: Made Mena a tracker. N2: ? That's fine.
Nerocain: Some sort of god king hammer giver.
A50: Recruited N1. Still considered town+ and their win condition has not been altered.
Norwegianboyee: Recruited N2. Mechanically cleared. Still considered town and their win condition has not been altered?

Gouthwits health interns: Confirmed town+ to one another.
Win Condition: More closely aligned with town's win condition than the councils'.
Morning Mage.
A50
SB

Am I missing anything?

See look. Why would I take notes when someone else will do it for me.

[DiamondSentinel]

Although jeez. Some of that is stuff that I'd never read. Really shows how fucking awful all this posting has been.

[MathBlade]

Ordinary town/King Doris Donnatello's Army.
NorwegianBoyee -
MathBlade-
shellyc-
Something_Smart-
Chemist1422- Gosippee: N1 target Titus. N2 Target: ?
jjh927 - Aesthetic
Tayl0r Swift - VT
Pickaxe Pete-
DiamondSentinel-
TheGoldenParadox-
DrDolittle-

Flips:
Gamma: King Doris Donnaello's army: 1 Shot alien
Ban Hydras: Killed N1. VT.
Menalque: Killed N1. Town tracker.
AprilLudgate: Eliminated D2. Town motion detector. N1 target Titus.
PlusJoyed: Killed N2. disloyal odd-night alignment cop inventor.


The Council: Not confirmed town to one another. They deduced that they were all town.
Win condition: Slight conflicting accounts: Stated at least one of them must be on every scum elimination.

They have two PT's: One for Nerocain, Mastina and Titus and a separate neighborhood with Nerocain, mastina, titus, A50 and NorwegianBoyee.
Titus: Neighborizor.
Mastina:mason(?) tracker-inventor N2 doctor. N1: Made Mena a tracker. N2: ? That's fine.
Nerocain: Some sort of god king hammer giver.
A50: Recruited N1. Still considered town+ and their win condition has not been altered.
Norwegianboyee: Recruited N2. Mechanically cleared. Still considered town and their win condition has not been altered?

Gouthwits health interns: Confirmed town+ to one another.
Win Condition: More closely aligned with town's win condition than the councils'.
Morning Mage.
A50
SB

Am I missing anything?

Council doesn’t have its own wincon.

The A50 hood has one
And The Titus hood has one
These may or may not be the same.

Recruitment into a hood cannot change your wincon ever.

The idea is that we gotta focus on the non 3Ps

Some of those powers in the Titus hood I think were general faction abilities. I don’t remember which. Since they all claim to share the same alignment think of them as one player multitasking.

[MathBlade]

N2 Target they claimed is me. No idea if it’s true or not.