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[Infinity 324]

I play by engaging people, and this game has been a lot of me trying to engage people and not getting much response. I don’t have any scumreads atm.

[VP Baltar]

I play by engaging people

For sure. I'm the same way. There's a lot of dead weight in this game so far.

Let's change approaches. Tell me why shelly's play doesn't feel scummy to you. Her posting is pretty bad.

[shellyc]

Let's change approaches. Tell me why shelly's play doesn't feel scummy to you. Her posting is pretty bad.

I still haven't heard much of the why here

I want to know whether you're shitpushing or being wrong

[Infinity 324]

Spoiler: towny shelly posts

because koba SR'd you, you retracted?
isn't your main goal to get a reaction out of me
why would koba scumreading you detract from that

Why do you think the discrediting comes from scum

Koba is too engaged and proactive to be scum at all

unless this is actually in kobas scumrange im impressed. their reads vibe with my own, they are trying to further the game and constantly providing content

This is something I'm tempted to townread people for (so I can see the perspective), even though it isn't necessarily a good reason to do so. I had the same thought about being impressed if koba was scum.

237 like. assumes koba will get nightkilled and is thinking from the pov of having a nightkill

im thinking. JV you usually have a "wow" factor as town and i dont really get that yet

The "wow" factor is something I look for a lot as town, especially in certain players I've played with before

Taylor where are you

Tryhard early posts followed by naked vote is definitely scum AI for Taylor
Town Taylor is more relaxed/less high effort

JV town isn’t that fencesitty so eh?

Kinda liked Taylor’s response to me tho. Scum getting SRd know the person pushing them is right so there is less defiance to prove someone wrong

In general I see a lot of effort to solve when not many others are. If she's doing this to get free townpoints, I'm fine giving them to her and seeing if she can keep it up.

[Infinity 324]

Going to class now but can talk more later.

[shellyc]

I ctrl+f'd Baltar's ISO for shelly

whats in there is basically throwing shade at me, "this is a big turn around on shelly over some meta argument. ngl", "gonna let jackson/infinity/shelly keep scumming it up" without actually. articulating reasons. which is pretty indicative of overconfidence.

[VP Baltar]

whats in there is basically throwing shade at me, "this is a big turn around on shelly over some meta argument. ngl", "gonna let jackson/infinity/shelly keep scumming it up" without actually. articulating reasons. which is pretty indicative of overconfidence.

Boo hoo.

[VP Baltar]

In general I see a lot of effort to solve when not many others are. If she's doing this to get free townpoints, I'm fine giving them to her and seeing if she can keep it up.

I come away with a very different feel about those posts. They feel quite surface level and go nowhere to me. I'll reread shelly's iso today though and see if I can see where you're coming from.

[Infinity 324]

Has anyone (other than maybe koba) been giving opinions with more depth? Surface level reads are kind of expected for this early in the game imo, if anything they're deeper than I would've expected.

[VP Baltar]

I'm hurt

[Infinity 324]

I'm sure you have very well-thought-out reasons for all your reads, they're just...not in the thread.

[VP Baltar]

What I mean is shelly's comments aren't actually pushing toward figuring out the game or creating dynamics that lead to pressure and slot-solves.

Her points are either shit posting that basically takes dumb swipes at me ('policy all policyers!'), or they are just softballs like engaging with Jackson's perpetual fake claiming.

To that end, players like Andres and DGB are certainly being more effective. Hell, even three posts in, at least Not_Mafia has tried to do something interesting to elicit results (even if that is their play all the time).

Playing a town role is about more than "making cases"

[Infinity 324]

I feel like the opinions she's putting into the thread are real thoughts, and putting your thoughts into the thread is a great way to solve the game imo.

[VP Baltar]

I feel like the opinions she's putting into the thread are real thoughts, and putting your thoughts into the thread is a great way to solve the game imo.

Like I said, I'll reread with an open mind later today. I definitely haven't ruled out she is just bad town. But I am clearly giving her less credit then you are for the same posts.

[Zdenek]

It's times like this I just try to imagine what is going on in the scum PT.

I guess that I like to think you’d be better than this.

[VP Baltar]

It's times like this I just try to imagine what is going on in the scum PT.

I guess that I like to think you’d be better than this.

I have no idea what that is even supposed to mean

[Marky Mark]

not sure how yo expect me to react?
my original post creating my random number to generate my random vote was clearly a joke ("I can do maths")
so replying in a joking fashion was entirely in character and consistent

Andres was saying that you were the best option to vote for off the info we had so far - my initial reactions to this would be to a.) ask them why they were scumreading me or b.) point out some other meaningful thing that was clearly more AI at that point of the game to discredit his point that your opening post was the scummiest thing that had happened so far. Either way, if someone was trying to paint me as scum I would want to dig into it and try to expose their reasons to see if it was scum flinging mud.

This is definitely a subjective point, but the brush off felt like scum trying to avoid getting engaged in discussion - which also chimes with the low amount of content from your slot.

I can understand being busy, looking forward to hearing some more from you once you get the chance.

As a mild aside, I've been finding this game fairly heavy going due to the sheer quantity of fluff compared to the previous games I've played (which have tended to be newer players). My heart sank that little bit further when I saw Not_Mafia's intro.

[Infinity 324]

Mark, reads on anyone other than gerain?

[Tayl0r Swift]

infinity is scum and is also defending shelly pretty hard.

[Marky Mark]

Mark, reads on anyone other than gerain?

So, there's a lot of noise and in-jokes to wade through but here's what has stuck out to me thus far:

I'm finding DGB somewhat scummy - their ISO is a bunch of "XYZ is town/scum" posts with no further explanation or analysis. They've not actually done anything to further the game in that sense or generate meaningful discussion.

Bad thing about no daytalk is that scum are just gonna spaghetti all over themselves trying to stop their buddies from eating a yeet.

Shelly, if you're town, I'd prolly stop trying to save geraintm bc it's going to look bad when he flips red

Nah, trust me, if they feel like they have a weak partner, they are going to help us yeet it.

Also feels fairly chummy and knowing - could genuinely be cocksure town but is also a great scum post to subtly make people perceive them as town

I found DK accusing me of misrepping her and then brushing me off x3 a bit scummy too - this will probs sound OMGUSy but I don't see why town!dk would try to make someone look scummy and then not provide an explanation when directly asked three times.

There's also been a few slots that have been pretty quiet in terms of meaningful content, as I have alluded too before. I'm voting geraint, because I genuinely felt the brush-off was scummy, but I also more generally don't want to give anyone (including him) a free ride to day two without at least contributing stuff that we can use to get some sort of read on them tomorrow retrospectively in the light of flips etc.

[VP Baltar]

infinity is scum and is also defending shelly pretty hard.

I'm not really getting infinity scum here. What's the bullet points on this again?

[Tayl0r Swift]

infinity is scum and is also defending shelly pretty hard.

I'm not really getting infinity scum here. What's the bullet points on this again?

infinity and i are usually on the same wavelength so infinity is usually obvtown to me. in this case it isnt happening.

[VP Baltar]

How many games do you have together?

[Infinity 324]

No completed ones.

[VP Baltar]

Well that seems a very small sample size then.