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Post Post #4325 (ISO) » Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:55 am

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btw
In post 4291, BrightEyedFish wrote:
In post 4231, Gamma Emerald wrote:That really felt like BEF wanted to be able to be on the bus wagon

I want to shred in this order:

Assemble
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In post 4292, BrightEyedFish wrote:OF I mean Grendel as nummer 1.
Why this, if the only reason you have Assemble/Grendel at the top is the IKS wagon stuff and you previously stated you didn't want to shred Grendel today? Nice bit of double-talk, mate.
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Post Post #4326 (ISO) » Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:59 am

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Walt-Assemble-Gren slot was my #1 today (which I have not been shy about)... based on the play of Walt.

I don't get how it is double talk?
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Post Post #4327 (ISO) » Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:01 am

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In post 4322, BrightEyedFish wrote:
In post 4319, Iecerint wrote:
In post 4295, DrippingGoofball wrote:Why is it so hard to get people to vote Iecerint to get a claim?
I was at shred-1 sans intent from nothing in a span of something like 6 hours of paroxysmal insanity; people unvoted after they started regaining the ability to think.
When were you at S-1?
Pretty sure I was when Grendel and someone else asked for the claim, but it was without intent. I declined to claim without intent. People unvoted me a page or so later, maybe based off content I posted around the same time. Pedit IIRC it was Chkflp who said something about wanting to avoid a lolhammer, and then some others.
In post 4323, Gamma Emerald wrote:@Iece the thing is until then your read on Walterslot had floated from scum to ???, it kinda read like you wanting to maintain a level of suspicion there but not wanting to put your money where your mouth was. The part about PoEing him later kinda affirms those thoughts, as the general idea of what I think you're doing if Grendel is town is trying to keep the slot for later.
1. The current thing on my mind is wanting to shred scum. DGB is scum. All this other stuff is a distraction from shredding DGB. When we are this close to getting a flip plus whatever night stuff, both of which will make the game easier to solve, it is more effective to focus on solving the puzzle in front of me.
2. You have accurately summarized my view of the Walter slot. My interval update on Walterslot is: Grendel looks better/moretown, as evidenced by it looks like they are trying to engage with players, catch up on the game, figure out what is going on, etc. (By contrast, Walter's main activity was at the start of D2, where he did some kind of VCA that was based on a facile reading of the thread (which tends to skew scummy, because scum are less motivated to read the thread because they already know the answer to who is scum).)
3. Something that makes Walter a little different from my NPOM/DGB/TD reads is that Walter was a later read, whereas I had a sense of the other three earlier. Walter was a lurker through the very early game. I self-consciously overvalue early reads and make myself work hard before changing them, because I tend to find that early reads are more reliable than later reads. So, if you are noticing the contrast in floppiness for NPOM/DGB/TD reads vs Walterslot, that may account for it. (I've mostly flipped on NPOM by now despite having had an early scumread tho, so it's not like they're totally inflexible.)

But yeah, I don't dispute the idea that I'm kinda waffley in general. I'm inclined to think back and forth about something dialectically when trying to reason what is likely. That's how I approach the game in general, except for self-consciously correcting it for early reads.
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Post Post #4328 (ISO) » Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:02 am

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Post Post #4329 (ISO) » Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:20 am

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People who aren't on me or DGB should probably either say they think it's town v town (i.e., and justify your thinking), or consider switching:

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Post Post #4330 (ISO) » Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:24 am

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Thing i won't do today: Vote DGB

Thing I'll consider: Iec

Thing I'd prefer: Lav (or, NPOM to a lesser degree)
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Post Post #4331 (ISO) » Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:26 am

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I think the onus for anyone thinking Iece vs. DGB is TvT is more to explain how Iece is town instead of how DGB is
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Post Post #4332 (ISO) » Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:28 am

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At this point, Scum DGB (Iec, Grendel) is more useful than Town Lav/NPOM
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Post Post #4333 (ISO) » Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:28 am

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DGB is more likely to attack town than scum if she is scum. So scum!DGB most likely = town!Iec.
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Post Post #4334 (ISO) » Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:28 am

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how are you being useful at all rude? At this point I am more useful than you.
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Post Post #4335 (ISO) » Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:31 am

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In post 4326, BrightEyedFish wrote:Walt-Assemble-Gren slot was my #1 today (which I have not been shy about)... based on the play of Walt.

I don't get how it is double talk?
Well based on your OVERALL opinion of the SLOT, where is it? You make this big fuss about Walter/assemble's play vs. Grendel's play, but you haven't defined what your full thoughts on the slot are well at all. And it's double talk because you are giving two different ratings of how willing you are to elim Grendel.

and yeah I want the non-voters to explain where there vote is willing to go (rude has already done so, so that leaves Lav, chk, and A50, though I think chk has also been pretty clear on his opinions)
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Post Post #4336 (ISO) » Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:32 am

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In post 4330, a2rudeboy wrote:Thing i won't do today: Vote DGB

Thing I'll consider: Iec

Thing I'd prefer: Lav (or, NPOM to a lesser degree)
So, this reads like you want to policy lynch. Is that correct, or do you think those players are scum?
Pedit Looks like you're pretty clear that this is still policy

If you do want to policy lynch, I infer that you do not make much of my case on DGB or DGB's case on me. Is that correct?
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Post Post #4337 (ISO) » Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:34 am

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There is absolutely no reason to policy today.
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Post Post #4338 (ISO) » Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:35 am

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NoPowerOverMe: 543 posts
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I did an overview of NPOM's posting in the last page of his ISO as well when gathering data on what people thought of Grendel, and I feel like he's posting a LOT for the amount of content he's producing. I'd say rudeboy and NPOM have at least similar content despite NPOM having double the postcount.

Mind telling me how someone who manages to do the same amount of stuff in twice the posts is "more useful"? I think with the given postcounts especially I'd feel the opposite.
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Post Post #4339 (ISO) » Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:36 am

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First of all, that's an opinion not a fact.

rude's content is anti town, mine is not.

I use mafia as a social outlet more than rude does, apparently.
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Post Post #4340 (ISO) » Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:37 am

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Like, I see no reason to have 4333 and 4334 be separate posts, I had two things I was expressing in my 4335 but I combined them since they weren't things I felt needed to be on their own.
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Post Post #4341 (ISO) » Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:38 am

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*shrug* I have reasons for my posting style that are related to my role, tbh.
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Post Post #4342 (ISO) » Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:41 am

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You've asserted something to that effect before, but I don't understand why your role would make you a spammy player.
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Post Post #4343 (ISO) » Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:42 am

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Well, I can't elaborate without outing my role, which I'm not inclined to do.
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Post Post #4344 (ISO) » Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:45 am

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Well seeing as you've constantly hinted at your role throughout the game I think mafia should have enough pieces to generally put together anything you might be hiding, so I would prefer you either stop hinting or do something to make it more useful in case you do get NKed.
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Post Post #4345 (ISO) » Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:47 am

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Are you asking me to claim?
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Post Post #4346 (ISO) » Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:47 am

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Because I don't see how that is helpful since I am only being targeted by a few players.
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Post Post #4347 (ISO) » Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:53 am

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That is one option, or, if your role means your flip can give some sort of indication of what was going on after it happens, you can work to ensure the maximum info is generated or retained.
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Post Post #4348 (ISO) » Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:57 am

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It might be more subtle than most players would grasp.
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Post Post #4349 (ISO) » Mon Oct 26, 2020 8:02 am

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Anyways, I'm a town shredder and I feel like hyperposting makes it harder for scum to catch town power roles and easier for town night actions to go through. I don't see how revealing my strategy is helpful though.
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