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[Tayl0r Swift]

eh bigger than infinity made it sound.

[Infinity 324]

infinity is scum and is also defending shelly pretty hard.

I’m not even defending shelly, I’m trying to explain a townreas

[Tayl0r Swift]

a townread on shelly

[Infinity 324]

I’m talking it out and willing to be wrong, that’s pretty different from a defense

[Infinity 324]

Like, you don’t know my meta.

[DkKoba]

I also don’t like the look of Andres early on.

Up to page 7. I have a hard time believing anything that Kiba is writing.

LOL what is this

[DkKoba]

can u explain?

[DkKoba]

also not interested in shelly rn

[Infinity 324]

I'm finding DGB somewhat scummy - their ISO is a bunch of "XYZ is town/scum" posts with no further explanation or analysis. They've not actually done anything to further the game in that sense or generate meaningful discussion.

Also feels fairly chummy and knowing - could genuinely be cocksure town but is also a great scum post to subtly make people perceive them as town

I feel like most of this could easily come from town, but I see what you're saying.

I found DK accusing me of misrepping her and then brushing me off x3 a bit scummy too - this will probs sound OMGUSy but I don't see why town!dk would try to make someone look scummy and then not provide an explanation when directly asked three times.

Not sure they thought it was scummy, was kind of rude of them but it's not really something I see scum getting much benefit from.

There's also been a few slots that have been pretty quiet in terms of meaningful content, as I have alluded too before. I'm voting geraint, because I genuinely felt the brush-off was scummy, but I also more generally don't want to give anyone (including him) a free ride to day two without at least contributing stuff that we can use to get some sort of read on them tomorrow retrospectively in the light of flips etc.

Definitely, I feel like scum could be lurking cause of how chaotic the game has been.

Do you have a read on shelly?

[DkKoba]

wait marky have u actually played with me?

[DkKoba]

how are u gonna say town me would do something like that

[Marky Mark]

Hey DK

I have never played with you before - hence my point earlier about not knowing if your high posting frequency was AI or just how you roll.

Ref town!you, I was referring to how you would hypothetically act as town in a general sense, rather than your specific town persona/tone. Ie, I think most town-aligned players would if asked to give an explanation for something they have said, be happy to do this. When making claims about another player, it seems in the town's interests to provide an explanation for those if requested, so that the other players can make an informed judgment about whether that claim is reasonable.

"I don't see why

town!dk

dk, if town aligned,

would try to make someone look scummy and then not provide an explanation when directly asked three times." might be a more accurate phrasing.

Hope that makes sense?

Ref shelly, no strong reads. As I've mentioned in an earlier post, I noticed the early scumreads on her and thought these seemed inflated, but the basis of these was fairly meta-related, which is not something that I am qualified to wade into as I have no recollection of playing with her before.

[Infinity 324]

Ref town!you, I was referring to how you would hypothetically act as town in a general sense, rather than your specific town persona/tone. Ie, I think most town-aligned players would if asked to give an explanation for something they have said, be happy to do this. When making claims about another player, it seems in the town's interests to provide an explanation for those if requested, so that the other players can make an informed judgment about whether that claim is reasonable.

Unfortunately, this isn't always the case.

Ref shelly, no strong reads. As I've mentioned in an earlier post, I noticed the early scumreads on her and thought these seemed inflated, but the basis of these was fairly meta-related, which is not something that I am qualified to wade into as I have no recollection of playing with her before.

For me it wasn't meta-related, she seemed to have a nervous response to being voted. But her thoughts since then have looked like genuine sorting to me.

[Not_Mafia]

I'm town btw

[Infinity 324]

I'm getting townvibes from mark

Would love input from zdenek, math, DGB, and gerain

[shellyc]

TS, is infinity scum JUST because they have differing opinions than you? It's quite often that town have differing opinions and I don't get that in itself is enough to SR people?

@Mark why do you think naked "XYZ is scum/town" isn't furthering the game - they're opinions. Furthermore, some of the reads have actually been explained in further posts

[Marky Mark]

TS, is infinity scum JUST because they have differing opinions than you? It's quite often that town have differing opinions and I don't get that in itself is enough to SR people?

@Mark why do you think naked "XYZ is scum/town" isn't furthering the game - they're opinions. Furthermore, some of the reads have actually been explained in further posts

The only reads explained in further posts were the dk/andres ones, and that was because DGB was specifically

asked

to explain them.

Ref opinions - there's some conceptual overlap here with what I was talking about ref dk - voicing your opinion about how you perceive someone is inherently of more value to the rest of the town if you explain your reasoning so that they can evaluate this for themselves. It's also a good way to generate a discussion. It allows the rest of us to develop our reads on both the person making the assertion and the person who is the target of the assertion. No real downsides that I can see from a town POV of taking the time to justify reads/assertions

[Marky Mark]

I'm town btw

Thanks. Thoughts on the game so far?

[Not_Mafia]

I'm town btw

Thanks. Thoughts on the game so far?

They're still developing

[shellyc]

Marky what are your thoughts on the Jackson slot so far

[DkKoba]

I'm town btw

Thanks. Thoughts on the game so far?

They're still developing

developing from what.
give us gun to head reads.

(On god already know this is going to be painful)

[DkKoba]

mark frankly

I dont care.
If u have anything substantial to ask me feel free but when im stating factual information i dont care to accept the premise that im wrong thx

[NDMath]

I'm getting caught on his VP reaction. It seems like he decided VP was scummy/scumlean and then repeatedly adjusted his justification for it.

Why do you think that’s scummy though

Town pretty much always work forward with the thought process of looking for scummy things and then attaching a scumread. Scum sometimes work backwards by deciding who to scumread and then attaching a reason(s). Adjusting his reason repeatedly looks like the second.

Why do you think VP is scum? He reads like really overconfident town to me.

What’s the difference between overconfident town vs scum though

If geraintm’s contributions don’t add up for me later in the game by all means. I just don’t get the point. There’s not even an attempt at reading other players. I will also say though that playing only based on the limited information that you get from votes and flips tends not to work for me.

ah, classic tstbs

Andres is your vote because I'm apparently really self confident when that's strictly NAI

These two posts though. Probably nai but I still find it frustrating.

I'm getting townvibes from mark

Would love input from zdenek, math, DGB, and gerain

I agree with that statement. His interaction with koba looks really good for him, and I like the way he went about his Geraint vote compared to the others who voted Geraint.

[DkKoba]

Ok so whats ur analysis then

[VP Baltar]

Math, what is your read on Andres and DGB?