Newbie 2037 - Game Over

Norfolk Boy1 · Post Post #275 (ISO) » Mon Oct 26, 2020 11:32 am

I like Billy P. He's like a bear sniffing around for trout.

Also, thanks for answering, padwag. But it's Dunnstral, Rockhopper and Italiano that should be answering. Their silence is well worth noting down.

MiniMegabyte · Post Post #276 (ISO) » Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:11 pm

In post 268, Billy Pilgrim wrote:You realize that wasn't the first wagon to get to E-2 this game right? At 78, I put a wagon to E-2. What happened there?

That one happens later in the game though around the time its happened in a couple of my games

MiniMegabyte · Post Post #277 (ISO) » Mon Oct 26, 2020 2:08 pm

In post 262, Norfolk Boy1 wrote:Also, I have no problem with being eliminated, but lets be sensible and give it another calendar day or 2 before we go through the E1 process.

In what universe is town ever okay with being eliminated? Being okay with being eliminated is not game solving at all

VOTE: NorfolkBoy1

That makes it E-1

Rockhopper · Post Post #278 (ISO) » Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:07 pm

In post 267, Billy Pilgrim wrote:
In post 258, Rockhopper wrote:UNVOTE:
Why?

In post 273, Billy Pilgrim wrote:Rockhopper - you unvoted but didn't remote. Whats your read of Norfolk and who is your top scumread?

I still scumread Norfolk, just didn't want the Day to end prematurely.

In post 275, Norfolk Boy1 wrote:I like Billy P. He's like a bear sniffing around for trout.

Also, thanks for answering, padwag. But it's Dunnstral, Rockhopper and Italiano that should be answering. Their silence is well worth noting down.

You did a good job not making your scumpartner obvious :p
But give me more time to analyze before I declare intent to hammer.

Spoiler:

Rockhopper · Post Post #279 (ISO) » Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:14 pm

In post 277, MiniMegabyte wrote:
In post 262, Norfolk Boy1 wrote:Also, I have no problem with being eliminated, but lets be sensible and give it another calendar day or 2 before we go through the E1 process.
In what universe is town ever okay with being eliminated? Being okay with being eliminated is not game solving at all

VOTE: NorfolkBoy1

That makes it E-1

I disagree with this notion.
The vote looks kinda sus to me ngl

Norfolk Boy1 · Post Post #280 (ISO) » Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:10 pm

In post 277, MiniMegabyte wrote: Being okay with being eliminated is not game solving at all

It is for the other 6 townies I leave behind. There's loads of information here to work with.

Rockhopper · Post Post #281 (ISO) » Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:22 pm

Nvm, Norfolk is prolly town.
VOTE: MiniMegaByte

Rockhopper · Post Post #282 (ISO) » Mon Oct 26, 2020 9:59 pm

Norfolk, why aren't you voting?

Norfolk Boy1 · Post Post #283 (ISO) » Mon Oct 26, 2020 11:10 pm

I'd been waiting as i've had a top scumread for a while. My interest moved on trying to identify scum 2.

However, i've realised that I need to consider an alternative meaning to what I believed to be a scumslip, so i've paused on that.

However, both of my scumteams involve the same person.

VOTE: ItalianoVD

Facebones · Post Post #284 (ISO) » Tue Oct 27, 2020 12:25 am

In post 269, Billy Pilgrim wrote:
In post 264, Facebones wrote:Post 187 didn't strike me as something scum Norfolk would do tbh, although he could be trying to pull the wool over our eyes. Is this what a WIFOM is?
What about that said it wouldn't come from scum?

The fact that something stood out to him, so he went on to do some further research of you and your posting style in a different game in order to confirm/refute his thoughts

Facebones · Post Post #285 (ISO) » Tue Oct 27, 2020 12:38 am

In post 274, padwag wrote:The problem here isn't finding one person who could be your scumpartner, it's narrowing it down to one person. I would say it could be pretty much anyone other than Dunnastral and ItalianoVD.

Is there any justification behind Dunnstral and Italiano being your top town reads?

Dunnstral · Post Post #286 (ISO) » Tue Oct 27, 2020 1:10 am

I don't do associations before flips and don't think it's necessary at day 1 of the game to have 2 people paired together

ItalianoVD · Post Post #287 (ISO) » Tue Oct 27, 2020 5:17 am

In post 284, Facebones wrote:
In post 269, Billy Pilgrim wrote:
In post 264, Facebones wrote:Post 187 didn't strike me as something scum Norfolk would do tbh, although he could be trying to pull the wool over our eyes. Is this what a WIFOM is?
What about that said it wouldn't come from scum?
The fact that something stood out to him, so he went on to do some further research of you and your posting style in a different game in order to confirm/refute his thoughts

But he didn’t know Billy was scum that game, which is an important fact to miss, when trying to meta dive.

Norfolk Boy1 · Post Post #288 (ISO) » Tue Oct 27, 2020 8:05 am

In post 287, ItalianoVD wrote: But he didn’t know Billy was scum that game, which is an important fact to miss,
when trying to meta dive
.

Except, as i've said twice, I wasn't interested in alignment when reviewing that old game. I was interested in the format, not the content.

Top quality misrep, though.

ItalianoVD · Post Post #289 (ISO) » Tue Oct 27, 2020 9:16 am

In post 288, Norfolk Boy1 wrote:
In post 287, ItalianoVD wrote: But he didn’t know Billy was scum that game, which is an important fact to miss,
when trying to meta dive
.
Except, as i've said twice, I wasn't interested in alignment when reviewing that old game. I was interested in the format, not the content.

Top quality misrep, though.

When Rockhopper asked the question about Billy he was trying to get help sorting him. Your response did nothing of the sort, so to me it seemed like you were just doing something just to do it.

Billy Pilgrim · Post Post #290 (ISO) » Tue Oct 27, 2020 2:16 pm

In post 276, MiniMegabyte wrote:
In post 268, Billy Pilgrim wrote:You realize that wasn't the first wagon to get to E-2 this game right? At 78, I put a wagon to E-2. What happened there?
That one happens later in the game though around the time its happened in a couple of my games

I dont understand this. Are you saying that the bakslash wagon that you commented on at 97 was the first E-2 wagon of the game? Because my vote was 78, and it put someone to E-2. I just didn't announce it. So im curious why you commented on this wagon but not the one I voted.

Billy Pilgrim · Post Post #291 (ISO) » Tue Oct 27, 2020 2:23 pm

In post 278, Rockhopper wrote:
In post 267, Billy Pilgrim wrote:
In post 258, Rockhopper wrote:UNVOTE:
Why?

In post 273, Billy Pilgrim wrote:Rockhopper - you unvoted but didn't remote. Whats your read of Norfolk and who is your top scumread?
I still scumread Norfolk, just didn't want the Day to end prematurely.

In post 275, Norfolk Boy1 wrote:I like Billy P. He's like a bear sniffing around for trout.

Also, thanks for answering, padwag. But it's Dunnstral, Rockhopper and Italiano that should be answering. Their silence is well worth noting down.
You did a good job not making your scumpartner obvious :p
But give me more time to analyze before I declare intent to hammer.

Spoiler:
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5

I'm confused here. You're still scumreading him but you unvoted? I dont think im going to understand this, but I dont think this on its own is AI.

Spoiler:

Billy Pilgrim · Post Post #292 (ISO) » Tue Oct 27, 2020 2:24 pm

In post 281, Rockhopper wrote:Nvm, Norfolk is prolly town.
VOTE: MiniMegaByte

What changed for you between 258/278 and 281?

Billy Pilgrim · Post Post #293 (ISO) » Tue Oct 27, 2020 2:26 pm

In post 283, Norfolk Boy1 wrote:I'd been waiting as i've had a top scumread for a while. My interest moved on trying to identify scum 2.

However, i've realised that I need to consider an alternative meaning to what I believed to be a scumslip, so i've paused on that.

However, both of my scumteams involve the same person.

VOTE: ItalianoVD

I dont get this at all. Can you case this for me?

Micc · Post Post #294 (ISO) » Tue Oct 27, 2020 2:28 pm

Votecount 1.06

Norfolk Boy1 (4) -

Dunnstral, Billy Pilgrim, ItalianoVD, MiniMegabyte

Dunnstral (2) -

Facebones, Bakslash

MiniMegabyte (1) -

Rockhopper

ItalianoVD (1) -

Norfolk Boy1

Not Voting (1) -

padwag

With 9 players alive it takes 5 votes to eliminate.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2020-10-30 12:15:00).

Billy Pilgrim · Post Post #295 (ISO) » Tue Oct 27, 2020 2:31 pm

In post 288, Norfolk Boy1 wrote:
In post 287, ItalianoVD wrote: But he didn’t know Billy was scum that game, which is an important fact to miss,
when trying to meta dive
.
Except, as i've said twice, I wasn't interested in alignment when reviewing that old game. I was interested in the format, not the content.

Top quality misrep, though.

Rockhoppers question was whether this is something I "normally do[]". You answered that question "yes" after reading one game where I was scum. If you had the thought that my formatting was weird wouldn't you want to check it against a town game? Otherwise whats the point?

MiniMegabyte · Post Post #296 (ISO) » Tue Oct 27, 2020 2:36 pm

In post 290, Billy Pilgrim wrote:I dont understand this. Are you saying that the bakslash wagon that you commented on at 97 was the first E-2 wagon of the game? Because my vote was 78, and it put someone to E-2. I just didn't announce it. So im curious why you commented on this wagon but not the one I voted.

I didn’t realise there was one before that one I don’t go back and count votes all the time

Norfolk Boy1 · Post Post #297 (ISO) » Tue Oct 27, 2020 11:32 pm

Billy, in response to your questions:

293 - I can't show my hand just yet, but if we don't make any progress by the time I get home from work, i'll be forced to.

295 - as said before, I don't consider the format of your posting to

Norfolk Boy1 · Post Post #298 (ISO) » Tue Oct 27, 2020 11:35 pm

Sorry - phone posting with fat fingers.

The rest of that was:

relate to alignment, it was purely to answer the question on if it's something you do. Like I said, I like it.

Facebones · Post Post #299 (ISO) » Wed Oct 28, 2020 2:09 am

In post 291, Billy Pilgrim wrote:I'm confused here. You're still scumreading him but you unvoted? I dont think im going to understand this, but I dont think this on its own is AI.

If I were to hazard a guess, it would be that perhaps he wasn't 100% sure on his scum read (and let's be honest, on day 1, without any flips and NA to go off, who is?) and wanted more information to come to light?

In post 292, Billy Pilgrim wrote:What changed for you between 258/278 and 281?

Seems to me that he just had a rethink of 277 in 279 and thought it was more suspicious than Norfolks posts, and post 280 could've potentially been the conclusive post from Norfolk he was waiting for?

I could be wrong, but that's the way I read it