Musician Mafia: Guitarists GAME OVER

[BrightEyedFish]

You may not be happy about Rude but the case on him is legitimate. He is not scumhunting on any level.

So is the case on Iec and Grendel and you for that matter. Unless everyone that has cases those 3 is scum which I highly doubt.

Also, its not that I'm unhappy about it, I just don't get it and the timing/speed is suspect.

[chkflip]

List: Lav, NPOM, Iec

So, his top scum reads are the lurker, the same old same old from D1, aaaaaand the new big wagon of the time.

And now he's "giving up" after "LOLing" at the wagon.

Tell me again how this is the wrong way to go?

[davesaz]

36 hours according to last VC.

Riviting addition to the conversation, dave.

You should write a book.

You were making it seem like there were mere minutes till end of day.

I tried to read rude's ISO and fell asleep before the end of the 1st page.
After a short nap I finished it. I agree there is basically nothing there but a little innuendo about flavor.

VOTE: a2rudeboy

[chkflip]

I was just fucking with you, dave.

timing/speed

Explain.

[NoPowerOverMe]

The case on iec is lead by DGB who has a high level of suspicion on her.

The case on Grendel is based largely on the non activity of his predecessors from what I can tell.

The case on me is that I annoy the fucking heck out of people but not much I can do about that if you are gonna eliminate me for that than oh well.

[BrightEyedFish]

I was just fucking with you, dave.

timing/speed

Explain.

IMO there has never been any real attempt to push rude. Iec gets to S-1 and claims. People buy the claim and move on. THat's all good but the sudden appearance in shredding Rude was a u-turn I guess I wasn't ready for. Maybe, I just wanted closure on this day because I feel its getting to broad and wanted to reign it end.

It just feels off to me.

[BrightEyedFish]

The case on Grendel is based largely on the non activity of his predecessors from what I can tell.

For me it is exactly the opposite.

Its the actions/voting from Walt that formed my opinion on the slot. I'm trying not to let confbias get in my reasoning there so I tried to give Grendel a chance but regardless of how I feel about Grendels ISO apart from Walt/Assemble I still have doubts on that slot as a whole.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I have doubts on the slot but I don't think it's fair to hold it against grendal and he's not on my priority list atm.

[chkflip]

And yet we have a viable wagon on someone who went from LOLing to resigning to die and post some woe is me bullshit. Neither response is actually defending themself, btw, which is something you'd expect from a town slot y/n?

Also, it's weird that you went from "I think rude is town" to "I just wanted to lynch Iec and end the day" with timing/speed as the explanation. I don't think you're scum for it, since I don't have a flip yet, but you can see how that transition is strange right?

[NoPowerOverMe]

Especially since Rude and Fish are two of the more fency players in the game.

[BrightEyedFish]

And yet we have a viable wagon on someone who went from LOLing to resigning to die and post some woe is me bullshit. Neither response is actually defending themself, btw, which is something you'd expect from a town slot y/n?

Also, it's weird that you went from "I think rude is town" to "I just wanted to lynch Iec and end the day" with timing/speed as the explanation. I don't think you're scum for it, since I don't have a flip yet, but you can see how that transition is strange right?

I do think rude is town.

Also, I get that me not jumping on the Rude wagon looks bad on me if rude ever flips red. I'd help shred rude if none of my options show present themselves to avoid a no-shred.

[chkflip]

At this point, Scum DGB (Iec, Grendel) is more useful than Town Lav/NPOM

Like

WHAT

[davesaz]

I was just fucking with you, dave.

timing/speed

Explain.

IMO there has never been any real attempt to push rude. Iec gets to S-1 and claims. People buy the claim and move on. THat's all good but the sudden appearance in shredding Rude was a u-turn I guess I wasn't ready for. Maybe, I just wanted closure on this day because I feel its getting to broad and wanted to reign it end.

It just feels off to me.

I'll explain what tipped me over to being interested in rude. We're 1.5 days from deadline, and instead of doing something with one of the useful wagons he showed up and started pushing lavender again. Then the iso-read and seeing how empty it is...

I'd still be willing to shred iec. I don't think we moved off because of the claim. It didn't sit there long enough for it to be a hammer test. It will provide a nice series of votes to analyze after some more flips. Who is willing to go there / not willing will be good to analyze if we end up back there. We need S-1's to gather data.

[chkflip]

Also, I get that me not jumping on the Rude wagon looks bad on me if rude ever flips red. I'd help shred rude if none of my options show present themselves to avoid a no-shred.

Nah nah nah nah nah nah nahnahnahnahhhhh.

That's not what I'm saying. You thinking rude is town is fine. Fucks sake I thought Siteflake was town. It's the fact that you've gone from "I think this wagon is wrong bc townread" to "I think this wagon is wrong bc speed/timing." It's a really strange transition to make, especially so quickly. Again, don't think you're scummy off of it, it's just... weird.

Have you never seen an EoD speedwagon before? They used to be somewhat common. And the speed is two parts: one part "oh fuck we need a lynch" and one part "oh hey that guy is in my null/scum pile, this is fine."

It's about reading the room, Fish. I'm not gonna say I'm some savant, or that I'm even very good at this, but I've seen his name a lot and I've seen him do a whole lot of not much while griping about those that're doing less than he is. Mmmmmm doesn't sit well with me, bud.

Explain why you're town reading them.

[BrightEyedFish]

Also, I get that me not jumping on the Rude wagon looks bad on me if rude ever flips red. I'd help shred rude if none of my options show present themselves to avoid a no-shred.

Nah nah nah nah nah nah nahnahnahnahhhhh.

That's not what I'm saying. You thinking rude is town is fine. Fucks sake I thought Siteflake was town. It's the fact that you've gone from "I think this wagon is wrong bc townread" to "I think this wagon is wrong bc speed/timing." It's a really strange transition to make, especially so quickly. Again, don't think you're scummy off of it, it's just... weird.

Have you never seen an EoD speedwagon before? They used to be somewhat common. And the speed is two parts: one part "oh fuck we need a lynch" and one part "oh hey that guy is in my null/scum pile, this is fine."

It's about reading the room, Fish. I'm not gonna say I'm some savant, or that I'm even very good at this, but I've seen his name a lot and I've seen him do a whole lot of not much while griping about those that're doing less than he is. Mmmmmm doesn't sit well with me, bud.

Explain why you're town reading them.

I didn't go "I think this wagon is wrong bc townread" to "I think this wagon is wrong bc speed/timing."

Its a combination of those 3.

I've been supportive of most wagons and people have even asked if its normal that I "sheep" so much, so I have been reading the room. It's not like I have told anyone specifically to unvote, I just want people to be aware.

Also, if you think I have any sway in which wagon we will go after you aren't reading the room.

[BrightEyedFish]

VOTE: a2rudeboy

[BrightEyedFish]

Iecerint (4): DrippingGoofball, Doctor Drew, pisskop, Galron
DrippingGoofball (2): Iecerint, Bambi Jay
TiphaineDeath (2): Starbuck, Grendel
davesaz (1): TiphaineDeath
a2rudeboy (6): chkflip, NoPowerOverMe, PookyTheMagicalBear, Gamma Emerald, davesaz, BrightEyedFish
Lavender (1): a2rudeboy

Not Voting (2): Lavender, Almost50

[chkflip]

Also, if you think I have any sway in which wagon we will go after you aren't reading the room.

I was simply having a conversation with you, Fish.

This was neither here nor there IRT reading the room.

[BrightEyedFish]

I get it.

I joined in on rude because I can't really defend my TR there on anything other than gut.
If we flip a town slot here, I just hope people will be more open to my angles in the coming days.

[NoPowerOverMe]

24 Hours E4 based on the last unofficial count.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

r we supposed to wagon really slowly when we r super close to deadline

[Gamma Emerald]

Funny because Iecerint isn't one of the three names in that post.

So I ask again. Why not?

If we're gonna back off a very important vanilla claim and turn to yeet some low-information rando after investing the whole day talking about other things, what's your beef with that particular low-info rando compared to the other low-inf0 randos?

For me, I think rudeboy is an active contributor in causing the problem A50 is having

[DrippingGoofball]

this game is fucking hillarious.

when i'm dead and gone, check the fucking speed wagon people on me.

He's town and I will not vote him.

[Gamma Emerald]

Tinfoil theory:
If rude is scum, chk is probably town

[Iecerint]

Unvote

VOTE: a2rudeboy

Rudeboy is an acceptable shred given the game state.

My thoughts on Rudeboy:
1. His shift to tunneling NPOM today (rather than defending NPOM before), right when NPOM changed to a more pro-town playstyle and disclosed living with ASD, has not made sense to me, and he's not been able to clarify why beyond being exasperated with NPOM (e.g., but why

now

?).
2. The previous steadfast defense of NPOM based on flavor innuendo makes no sense in hindsight.
3. His focus on policy lynches D3 when we have flipped scum and related cases, and also declining to engage with in-game content, is consistent with scum alignment, especially if DGB is town. The alternative possibility (e.g., Rudeboy behavior being anti-town apathy) is dissonant with approaching the game with feelings of exasperation (i.e., his stated emotions around engagement).

Caveats:
A. There may be more that I still don't know that accounts for #1-#2, because NPOM/TD's behavior from D1/D3 implies there might be more to it.
B. For #3, it's not unbelievable that Rudeboy could move from exasperation to apathy (though I'd expect him to become less dysregulated re: NPOM in that eventuality -- but you could say it's kinda been reflected in some openness to Lavender).
c. Rudeboy's behavior makes more sense for scum!Rudeboy if DGB is town IMO, and I think DGB is pretty clearly scum for reasons I've stated multiple times.

I prefer DGB and will check for a resurgence of a DGB wagon before deadline.