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[Uncrowned]

is defending yourself against dunnstral so important that you need to blow up your attempt to test lilith before she responds

I haven't played too many games outside of newbie queue, but do you think most experienced players getting early wagoned don't already know it's kind of a reaction test?

i question the value in publicly announcing you expect someone's reaction to being voted to be insightful before that person actually reacts

I guess that's sort of a question tho. does announcing it actually limit the effectiveness? Because Lilith is still eventually gonna have to come in here and acknowledge the wagon either way

[skitter30]

I mean i wasnt until people called me out on it ...
Either way I'm pretty sure scum!her knows that i'd prioritize sorting her, and the mere fact that i'm voting her should have alerted her to the fact if she didnt

So then you don't think it will work, or you don't think it matters?

I'm not sure what you're asking, sorry

[Uncrowned]

Which game was that, remind me?

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=81510 - Newbie 1971

Skimming briefly through your ISO it turns out you weren't doing it as much as you were just interacting with your buddy like any other slot. You didn't really start doing much "defending" (if you want to call it that) until he was getting wagoned at end of D1.

I guess the difference here is JV is getting wagoned now

[Dunnstral]

Does it matter that Lilith knows you are voting for pressure?

[skitter30]

Not really, which is what i was trying to get across to peta

[Uncrowned]

I dont think jv's comment is as bad as its being made out to be

this post in particular feels similar to the style you used to back up your buddy in that game, at least tonally.

[skitter30]

Which game was that, remind me?

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=81510 - Newbie 1971

Skimming briefly through your ISO it turns out you weren't doing it as much as you were just interacting with your buddy like any other slot. You didn't really start doing much "defending" (if you want to call it that) until he was getting wagoned at end of D1.

I guess the difference here is JV is getting wagoned now

Oh that one
Hmmmmmm
To summarize how i interacted with my partner in that game is not necessarily like ~broadly indicative~ of how i buddy/interact with my partner

I need to like pretend to do my job now but i will get back to this and elaborate tonight ^

[Uncrowned]

yeah tbh i'm not much of a "meta" guy because I feel like good players will just change it up anyway but it just came to mind as something that pinged me as similar

[Something_Smart]

this is an aside, but you're one of those

"don't vote until absolutely sure"

type characters, no?

...ish. I'm quite reserved with my vote, especially on day 1, but it has less to do with surety and more that I see early votes as causing more problems than they solve. Also I'm afraid of making decisions.

[Something_Smart]

We literally just played together, was I not like that in that game?

[Something_Smart]

But post length/how many posts/efforting is nai for me, and i'm reasonably confident you (or someone else who knows me) would have complained if i *didnt* point that out

I mean, even if your posts had been long, I wouldn't have complained, I would have just probably pointed it out myself.

It just is hard for me to wrap my head around why you automatically hit the "don't townread me for that" button instead of actually looking into why they were townreading you for it. But I guess it makes more sense if you get townreads like that so much that your response basically is autopilot.

I don't really recall you getting townread like that a lot in our recent games, though?

[Something_Smart]

I dont think jv's comment is as bad as its being made out to be

What do you mean by bad

Like it's obviously wrong, for multiple reasons. Them doubling down on it is probably slightly > rand scum (since admitting fault is towny), but not significantly so.

[Something_Smart]

is defending yourself against dunnstral so important that you need to blow up your attempt to test lilith before she responds

I'm going to venture a guess that lilith would have been able to figure out her wagon was for pressure on her own.

[skitter30]

It's basically autopilot
Pooky in ~that~ micro, albeit tbf it may have happened before you repped in. This was one of the most recent games i've played in
In fact our favorite duck mod felt the need to point this out on my behalf! Multiple times!

[skitter30]

I dont think jv's comment is as bad as its being made out to be

What do you mean by bad

Like it's obviously wrong, for multiple reasons. Them doubling down on it is probably slightly > rand scum (since admitting fault is towny), but not significantly so.

It doesnt feel scummy to me

[Something_Smart]

It's scummy because the alternative was towny. If someone can do X or Y, and they're comparatively more likely to do X as town, and they do Y, that makes them more likely to be scum. Though the effect is pretty marginal if the probability of X is low, which it is. But I do see where people are coming from.

[davesaz]

Or make a big wagon and see what comes of it.

Reminder @whomever didn't like my Jackson vote.
@rest, it doesn't work unless the wagon stays at least for a while.

Nobody asked, but my lilith vote was because she went out of her way to pagetop.

[Something_Smart]

Lol

[PenguinPower]

Nobody asked, but my lilith vote was because she went out of her way to pagetop.

there's nothing wrong with that.

[the worst]

vote count 1.10

JacksonVirgo (4)

: lilith2013, petapan, Hoopla, davesaz

lilith2013 (3)

: PenguinPower, skitter30, Uncrowned

Uncrowned (1)

: DrippingGoofball

skitter30 (1)

: Dunnstral

Not voting

: Something_Smart, Pine, TheGoldenParadox, Infinity 324, JacksonVirgo

Deadline: (expired on 2020-11-02 21:15:00)

mod notes

:
- skitter30 v/la Fridays & Saturdays
- quack

[TheGoldenParadox]

how are we at 15 pages i swear i didn't get the daystart pm that long ago

the entire lilith wagon feels manufactured and VOTE: penguinpower is pinging me especially hard, as is hoopla for what boils down to opportunistic wagon hopping.

[TheGoldenParadox]

the 240 interaction was quite bad, especially considering pp had voted Lilith previously for similar reasons. their entire lillith/uncrowned/lillith jump feels so weird to me, and there's very little actual content in his posts, beyond his shitposts.

[TheGoldenParadox]

inb4 scumteam is lilith/penguin/hoopla

liking skitter and uncrowned quite a bit

[Infinity 324]

Why skitter?

[petapan]

do u actually think it was an early bus wagon lol