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[lilith2013]

oh

[lilith2013]

It's 2 minutes, maybe I'm reading too much into this?

You're definitely reading too much into it

Ok I believe you, vote stays

Why?

[Infinity 324]

Why?

I find scum more likely to say "I may be bad but not scum" since people don't like to admit they're wrong. "feels a little off" is way down in confidence from where you were just a second ago too.

This reasoning still applies, I think tgp is trying to get read as "bad town"

[lilith2013]

I find scum more likely to say "I may be bad but not scum" since people don't like to admit they're wrong. "feels a little off" is way down in confidence from where you were just a second ago too.

can you explain where he said "I may be bad but not scum"? and also what makes you think the second post is less confident than the first post? I'm reading them as the opposite.

[the worst]

vote count 1.15

JacksonVirgo (3)

: lilith2013, petapan, Hoopla

lilith2013 (3)

: PenguinPower, skitter30, Uncrowned

TheGoldenParadox (2)

: Infinity 324, davesaz

Uncrowned (1)

: DrippingGoofball

skitter30 (1)

: Dunnstral

PenguinPower (1)

: TheGoldenParadox

Not voting

: Something_Smart, Pine, JacksonVirgo

Deadline: (expired on 2020-11-02 21:15:00)

mod notes

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- skitter30 v/la Fridays & Saturdays
- quack

[Infinity 324]

penguin you can call my takes bad but calling me scum for them is a terrible take yourself

This is not quite "I may be bad but I'm not scum" but it's close enough. "Feels a little off" is something you'd use to describe a post from someone you were otherwise townreading, not a hard scumread usually.

[TheGoldenParadox]

quack? duckie we're nowhere CLOSE to a pagetop

[TheGoldenParadox]

oh lmao i'm stupid ~

[davesaz]

In the last 4 pages, 1 of which appeared while I was reading, I think TGP looks like scum.
VOTE: TGP

Talk about it a little bit?

Oh i also have some scumping on dave, i forgot to say that

I think Dunn's response looks better than skitter's.

[the worst]

i quack when i please.

[Something_Smart]

TGP:

sorry, let me rephrase this with some more clarity. basically, i think JV's wagon began with town (lillith and petapan) and i think hoopla is scum that jumped on it. because hoopla put a vote down there, it makes me townlean on JV.

Why was Hoopla's vote jump scummy?

[lilith2013]

skitter, why do you think SS is towny?

[skitter30]

@skitter what did you not like about my vote on JV?

what information do you expect to get from a wagon that interacting with me wouldn't give?

I actually dont have much thoughts on your jv vote!
Or more accurately, the jv vote by itself is fine and i dont have an opinion on it, but the lack of contributing real content (i.e. in that you only made an rvs vote) at a stage of the game where there was actually real things to talk about felt kinda scummy from you

Idk if i'm necessarily expecting a particular bit of information from wagoning you, so much as it was a: 'i'm trying to get your attention and lets see what you'll do next!' type vote
Also i'm like soulreading you as scum off your entrance so decided to vote you till i got more to work with, which would hopefully be prompted by being voted

[skitter30]

I think Dunn's response looks better than skitter's.

That's fine!

[skitter30]

skitter, why do you think SS is towny?

Feels a bit more invested/involved than i think scum!him would be

I am really sad to say that i think you rolled scum this game

[skitter30]

It's even worse in that there's next to no way i'm getting you voted out today, probably

[davesaz]

how are we at 15 pages

i swear

i didn't get the daystart pm that long ago

the entire lilith wagon feels manufactured and VOTE: penguinpower is pinging me especially hard, as is hoopla for what boils down to opportunistic wagon hopping.

Starts off highly apologetic. Why such emphasis?

i think JV is town, because it seems like their wagon started as a town-driven CW to lillith before hoopla jumped onto it.

This early in the game I don't think that thinking of wagons as CWs is a town oriented mindset. In the town mindset it's a CW if and only if you suspect the target of the 1st wagon. In the early game we have multiple wagons which are on unknown alignments and we don't know whether the 2nd one is in response to the 1st one unless it's either stated directly as such or if there are signs that it's competitive.

i think JV is town, because it seems like their wagon started as a town-driven CW to lillith before hoopla jumped onto it.

sorry, let me rephrase this with some more clarity. basically, i think JV's wagon began with town (lillith and petapan) and i think hoopla is scum that jumped on it. because hoopla put a vote down there, it makes me townlean on JV.

Indirectly scumreading Hoopla but nowhere in this ISO is it made clear why Hoopla would be a scumread.

jackson wagon was hot and new
lillith wagon was an rvs wagon based essentially solely on the fact that they were first in the PL

penguin

you can call my takes bad but calling me scum for them is a terrible take

yourself

This is indicative of scum caught for the wrong reason. Though it is pretty weak for that tell coming from someone who hasn't really been under heavy suspicion. I'm not the only one who thought this.

apologies town driven cw is probably the worst way i could have worded it ever

a new wagon started by town that scum!hoopla jumped on

Again with the apologies. I don't think I have played with TGP enough times to be able to say for certain, but this is pretty early in the game to be so worried about how one's posting looks and it seems perhaps out of character.

[petapan]

Indirectly scumreading Hoopla but nowhere in this ISO is it made clear why Hoopla would be a scumread.

it's in his first post? "opportunistic wagon hopping". strong noob vibes.

[lilith2013]

@skitter what did you not like about my vote on JV?

what information do you expect to get from a wagon that interacting with me wouldn't give?

I actually dont have much thoughts on your jv vote!
Or more accurately, the jv vote by itself is fine and i dont have an opinion on it, but the lack of contributing real content (i.e. in that you only made an rvs vote) at a stage of the game where there was actually real things to talk about felt kinda scummy from you

Idk if i'm necessarily expecting a particular bit of information from wagoning you, so much as it was a: 'i'm trying to get your attention and lets see what you'll do next!' type vote
Also i'm like soulreading you as scum off your entrance so decided to vote you till i got more to work with, which would hopefully be prompted by being voted

So you think that voting me while I'm away is going to make me come back and produce content?

[TheGoldenParadox]

TGP:

sorry, let me rephrase this with some more clarity. basically, i think JV's wagon began with town (lillith and petapan) and i think hoopla is scum that jumped on it. because hoopla put a vote down there, it makes me townlean on JV.

Why was Hoopla's vote jump scummy?

It wasn't directly that scummy (outside of the fact that i believe wagon hopping like that is inherently slightly more likely to come from scum trying to find a miselimination to join) but i was pinged by the subsequent Penguin interaction with that.

[davesaz]

Indirectly scumreading Hoopla but nowhere in this ISO is it made clear why Hoopla would be a scumread.

it's in his first post? "opportunistic wagon hopping". strong noob vibes.

Eh, fair enough. I'm used to much more though it is extremely early still.
I'm certain TGP has been in enough games to not be considered in that category. I'm just not sure I have a strong meta handle yet.

[lilith2013]

skitter, why do you think SS is towny?

Feels a bit more invested/involved than i think scum!him would be

I am really sad to say that i think you rolled scum this game

I don't have any townpings from SS from so far, which... based on my read meter for him, means he's probably scum.

[skitter30]

It was an attempt at telepathic communication inducing you to return

More seriously tho it obviously wouldnt make you come back, but would give me a way to read you once you did

@lilith

[skitter30]

Ok how do you get from that thought to 'this is town-indicative for jv'

So it doesnt get lost in the shuffle ^

[the worst]

quack