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[the worst]

vote count 1.18

lilith2013 (4)

: PenguinPower, skitter30, Uncrowned, petapan

JacksonVirgo (2)

: lilith2013, Hoopla

TheGoldenParadox (2)

: Infinity 324, davesaz

Uncrowned (1)

: DrippingGoofball

skitter30 (1)

: Dunnstral

PenguinPower (1)

: TheGoldenParadox

Not voting

: Something_Smart, Pine, JacksonVirgo

Deadline: (expired on 2020-11-02 21:15:00)

mod notes

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- skitter30 v/la Fridays & Saturdays
- quack

[JacksonVirgo]

* sorry. How it can be town-indicative of jv
Like i'm kinda missing the connection between 'town-driven cw' and 'town indicative for jv'

Yeah that's all confusing me as well

[JacksonVirgo]

apologies town driven cw is probably the worst way i could have worded it ever

a new wagon started by town that scum!hoopla jumped on

So you're reading me as town because you read hoopla as scum? Isn't that generally a bad way to read people?

[JacksonVirgo]

oh okay

i gave jv townpoints for the wagon bc i don't see scum!hoopla bussing their partner in that way

I guess this post confirms what I just asked

[JacksonVirgo]

oh okay

i gave jv townpoints for the wagon bc i don't see scum!hoopla bussing their partner in that way

This might be a silly question, but if you're so convinced hoopla is scum that you're townreading jv off of apparently anti-partner-y associatives ... why are voting penguin again?

Also i think you're townreads of lilith and peta are unfounded

Yeah I like skitter even more and I'm slowly moving to scum!golden

[JacksonVirgo]

Actually I take that back, I'll drown myself in everything before making a stance.

[JacksonVirgo]

I need more JV in my life

Hiiii

[JacksonVirgo]

Would scum fake that type of read? I'm not confident they would ngl

[Uncrowned]

Nobody asked, but my lilith vote was because she went out of her way to pagetop.

there's nothing wrong with that.

Uhhh, what even is this?

I think it's referencing the first post of Liliths ISO

Or are you talking about the reply

[Uncrowned]

Which read are you referencing?

[davesaz]

Nobody asked, but my lilith vote was because she went out of her way to pagetop.

there's nothing wrong with that.

Uhhh, what even is this?

There were people saying that the lilith wagon had formed because she had first pick in the draft.
I explained my vote relative to that assumption.
Not sure whether PP was saying there's nothing wrong with voting people for pagetopping, or if there's nothing wrong with pagetopping.
Enigmatic, but I give a small number of weak town points for it. More specifically for not saying my post is scummy since I lobbed it out there as a tool to gather exactly that kind of response.

[Something_Smart]

S_S feels like the voice of reason in this game which to me feels townie but the lack of substantial reads is concerning

What's concerning about it?

Have you developed any outside of saying PP felt towny a while ago?

I... don't know. I want to believe that lilith wouldn't approach me this way as scum, but she's literally played me by doing this exact thing before.

I think TGP is > rand town, because his argument is weird but it seems pretty plausible that he would believe it.

[JacksonVirgo]

Nobody asked, but my lilith vote was because she went out of her way to pagetop.

there's nothing wrong with that.

Uhhh, what even is this?

I think it's referencing the first post of Liliths ISO

Or are you talking about the reply

I am not sure exactly how to word this but like, this doesn't feel like natural discussion to me.

[JacksonVirgo]

Nobody asked, but my lilith vote was because she went out of her way to pagetop.

there's nothing wrong with that.

Uhhh, what even is this?

There were people saying that the lilith wagon had formed because she had first pick in the draft.
I explained my vote relative to that assumption.
Not sure whether PP was saying there's nothing wrong with voting people for pagetopping, or if there's nothing wrong with pagetopping.
Enigmatic, but I give a small number of weak town points for it. More specifically for not saying my post is scummy since I lobbed it out there as a tool to gather exactly that kind of response.

@PP can you asnwer what you meant

[Uncrowned]

S_S feels like the voice of reason in this game which to me feels townie but the lack of substantial reads is concerning

What's concerning about it?

Have you developed any outside of saying PP felt towny a while ago?

I... don't know. I want to believe that lilith wouldn't approach me this way as scum, but she's literally played me by doing this exact thing before.

I think TGP is > rand town, because his argument is weird but it seems pretty plausible that he would believe it.

It's concerning because while you're posting well, I feel like that's something good scum players are more capable of doing than developing natural reads.

While it fits your playstyle, it still leaves me paranoid is all.

As for Lilith, how do you think she'd approach this situation if she were scum?

[Something_Smart]

I mean, it's not exactly hard to generate reads as scum. Natural reads, maybe, but like it's also hard to generate natural reads as town.

[Something_Smart]

As for Lilith, how do you think she'd approach this situation if she were scum?

Honestly I have no clue.

[JacksonVirgo]

I mean, it's not exactly hard to generate reads as scum. Natural reads, maybe, but like it's also hard to generate natural reads as town.

Could you elaborate on how it's hard to generate natural reads as town? I don't understand that at all

[Something_Smart]

That was just a convoluted way of saying that forming good reads is hard.

[JacksonVirgo]

That was just a convoluted way of saying that forming good reads is hard.

Uh, what? Natural is not a convoluted way of saying good.

[Infinity 324]

Jackson why are you focusing on NAI stuff so much, this is literally just about theory.

[Uncrowned]

@SS if you're town, I'm happy to be proven wrong, but like, you calling out skitter on her response to JV's townread on her felt over the top

Hmm? His response to that was along the lines of "This is interesting, I wonder what to think. Slightly scummy."

The fact that he called it out at all feels like not-SS to me. It also reminded me of this post:

ngl, the speed is very unnerving.

Honestly, I think the number of people who immediately popped in to express their dislike for the wagon is much more notable.

in which he avoids interacting with the wagon, similarly to how he avoided commenting on the JV wagon here.

S_S said this is a general feature of his playstyle though (in regards to being hesitant with votes), has he done this as town as well?

In a vacuum I would say an unwillingness to get involved in wagons/voting is scummy but if it's a consistency across his play than I don't know how much I can take from it.

[Hoopla]

oh my, i've fallen behind already.

is it too early for me to start scolding the chatterboxes? do i need to prepare my "balance of voices" speech?

[Uncrowned]

I'm beginning to think that one of JV/Hoopla is scum.

[JacksonVirgo]

Jackson why are you focusing on NAI stuff so much, this is literally just about theory.

I don't see it as nai but if you want to explain why that'd be neat