I feel that I did, in that I conceded I do not yet have great enthusiasm in this game. If I make it throuhg this phase and we have some flips I will hopefully be more engaged. That was more or less your main point and is something Noraa identified too. She has the correct interpretation that it is NAI, I only have one scum game but was ok in feigning pro-activity for that, although I continue to be a little concerned that she reached that conclusion based on our two games together. Since you asked though I will give it more attention.In post 3473, Hopkirk wrote:Hey Unowen, you asked me several times to go through your stuff and you haven't commented on the place where I did that yet.
I wanted to curse Noraa, because the case was as strong as I've seen for day 1 and everyone (except 3(?)) was scum reading her. Her death was being pushed as inevitable for reasons I agreed with so making that happen would advance the game state more than any speculating under false assumptions that I could have offered.In post 2675, Hopkirk wrote:So for UNOwen I could go through their iso quoting half their posts, but it's easier to get a sense of this if you read the whole thing. They have no meaningful presence in this game. I can't find one meaningful thing in the second half of their iso. It's all just hollow, shallow, 'I'm here and speaking' but it doesn't actually say anything. Nothing Unowen says advances the gamestate. It's commentary and random comments but it's not actually doing anything. I can't even tell what their reads are beyond the vaguest sense. Can't even see who they want to lethal and it doesn't feel like they care. General vibe is just a 'keeping the presence and flying under the radar while people get into conflicts and dodge the lethal.'
My vote came about before Noraa even posted. It clearly had no impact on the Noraa wagon.In post 2675, Hopkirk wrote: So in these two posts Unowen is basically locked into the Noraa vote after making it in RVS. Tries to act both times as though their vote had any meaningful impact on the wagon and glosses over the actual cases on Noraa at this stage. Coasting nil effort and trying to let it build.
Again fair. My reads were vague and basically non-existent. I thought we were about to enter a stage with much more information than usual this early in the game due to the massive Noraa push. I like to go one step at a time. Treating Noraa as confirmed scum and then scum hunting with that in mind is alien to me. Allowing other players to get away with that is also alien to me.In post 2675, Hopkirk wrote: In the above two posts, the below ones, and above ones you can see Unowen only does stuff when promopted. There's so many cases of 'if you want me to do x then ask' which doesn't give me any sense of proactivity/enthusiasm.
The reads also suck. Noraa read doesn't seem justified beyond consensus despite not engaging with the case in a way that they'd take flak for on a townflip. The other 3 reads (me at the time, Zor, Ador) are all just low activity players, unsubstantiated, and look like fishing for LHF.
I mean, I think the fact that I said the wagon should go through displays my attitude. I was reading Noraa as scum but was no longer sure and felt that since the majority agreed we should just flip her and reevaluate. It is never the aim to flip town, but if Noraa did so it would force many players in the game to review their perspective (shelly, Pooky, Toogeloo, Flea, Theta, Adorable, LLD) and offer much needed clarity on what was going on.In post 2675, Hopkirk wrote: Fence sitty as hell. From this point on it's unclear how UNOwen reads Noraa outside of their vote staying on. Seems like trying to distance from the wagon while still wanting it to go through by doing nothing to get any other wagons gaining momentum and sitting on it until deadline forces it then tries to avoid any blame for it. Feeds into my overall read of scum lightposting and trying not to rock the gamestate.
