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[davesaz]

I like the layout of the catchup (might steal that tbh)

Nah, links are worse than useless. Quote or nothing.

[Uncrowned]

What were your thoughts on the catchup, then?

besides the links lol

[davesaz]

Just "town" and "scum" with no words about why is also useless.
It's a bunch of effort with no discernable meaning.

[petapan]

is it even effort tho

[petapan]

I don't think we want to lim lilith today cause she's a PR, time for a hoopla wagon?

but if she's a scum pr that would be a good thing wouldn't it

[davesaz]

Well, I used effort in the administrative copy paste of URL's sense, not the putting thought into what you're seeing sense.

[davesaz]

I don't think we want to lim lilith today cause she's a PR, time for a hoopla wagon?

It's about time someone had the guts to say this.

but if she's a scum pr that would be a good thing wouldn't it

In the game I just got done modding, scum had 2 PRs and got zero utility out of either one.

The top 4 or so slots are self-resolving. If they get NK'd then that's painful but it's life. If they don't get NK'd and there isn't a save to explain it then we eliminate them later.

[Infinity 324]

I don't think we want to lim lilith today cause she's a PR, time for a hoopla wagon?

but if she's a scum pr that would be a good thing wouldn't it

Town PRs are generally better for town than scum PRs are for scum. That said, there are potential mafia vigs in this setup so

Force a claim maybe?

[Something_Smart]

but if she's a scum pr that would be a good thing wouldn't it

I mean yes but not that good of a thing.

It's much worse for town to lose a PR than it is for scum to lose a PR.

[Uncrowned]

That's what also concerns me.

The lack of originality and the reads would be fine if there was some description or thought process behind the "why" things are town or scum

This makes it difficult to judge whether the reads are authentic or not and also provides a "safeguard" of sorts in terms of avoiding being asked specific questions about logic and thinking when coming up with the reads.

[PenguinPower]

It's about time someone had the guts to say this.

The time for hoopla wagon?

[Uncrowned]

I don't think we want to lim lilith today cause she's a PR, time for a hoopla wagon?

It's about time someone had the guts to say this.

But you're still voting TGP?

[skitter30]

It's about time someone had the guts to say this.

i mean to be fair i've been acknowledging this for pages already
i'm also not sure i care that much about it

[PenguinPower]

Geez...kill my lead up

[petapan]

I don't think we want to lim lilith today cause she's a PR, time for a hoopla wagon?

It's about time someone had the guts to say this.

but if she's a scum pr that would be a good thing wouldn't it

In the game I just got done modding, scum had 2 PRs and got zero utility out of either one.

The top 4 or so slots are self-resolving. If they get NK'd then that's painful but it's life. If they don't get NK'd and there isn't a save to explain it then we eliminate them later.

they got zero utility out of the 1-shot vig (in spot #4) because town didn't care about draft order and eliminated them day 1. not gonna weight my reads by draft position.

[TheGoldenParadox]

not gonna weight my reads by draft position.

this seems like something you should reconsider - draft position is an important and publically available piece of information. you can bet scum is going to use it, so why shouldn't we?

[davesaz]

In a closed game we wouldn't know who potential PRs are. You'd get softs and crumbs instead.
In this situaion the top 1/3 of the game have basically softed something.
If you would give it space in a closed game, then you should give it space here.
If you'd eliminate it despite the claim because it's scummy AF then that's clearly on the table.

If the lilith wagon folks are serious about it then we need a lim-1 and a claim with enough time in the day to evaluate whether we believe it or not.

UNVOTE:
I haven't decided who among the bad agenda folk are scum and who are just wrong.

[skitter30]

i'm deadly serious

[TheGoldenParadox]

@tw want to permanently extend deadlines to 14 days for us

[the worst]

not really

[TheGoldenParadox]

rude ! but okay.

[Hoopla]

townleaning on Infinity because i think he's making valid and helpful points and his mindset seems to be solvey, with genuine attempts to find town and scum. i don't think i have any chance at successfully reading SS

because he's a very mechanical player and my reads on those are generally quite bad

- if i had to give a read, extremely light townlean. dave is slightly weird because they seem to be focusing on me to a greater extent than they should be, and null on dunnstral because i don't have enough from them yet.

ah, so that's why your radar is off about me. i appreciate your candour.

anyway, on to your question:

hoopla, what are your reads on me, pp, and JV?

i get town vibes from penguin's one-liners.

i really didn't like JV's skitter-related posts. but since then i've come around to the idea of him being town. has a naive/innocent quality to his thread presence that is hard to fake.

if you weren't in the 4's i'd be vaguely suspicious of you, primarily because you've been overly focused on penguin/me. it feels like you've found a comfortable niche that allows you to churn out easy material, without expressing much curiosity for other parts of the game. ironically, it's the same behaviour you called davesaz "slightly weird" for.

but as i said, mechanically, you're just not that likely to be scum. i'd probably even execute some of my town-reads in the singletons over the scummiest 4, if that helps you get an idea on how i evaluate things.

[Hoopla]

but but you put him as suspicious from a POE perspective, but your townreads did not appear numerous or strong

*shrug*

i thought about this, and i really don't know what to say to this line of questioning. my town reads aren't strong, sure... but neither is my declaration of davesaz being "suss". the strength of that comment is relative to strength of my town reads.

[JacksonVirgo]

I feel like the whole number thing is a weird thing to pin peta on

Plus the choice of number kinda fits how they've been playing this whole game personality wise tbh

Is there something specific that's pinging you about it?

The number itself is fine to me, the fact that they lied about the reasons why they picked that number is what is pinging me. Laptops dying bbs

[JacksonVirgo]

Peta's posts surrounding me being sus of them is vastly different than the surrounding ones and then they bounce back when nobody else reciprocates my read.