Death Curse

[Vaxkiller]

The thing that pisses me off about toog is like everyone acknowledged they were killing town.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

The thing that pisses me off about toog is like everyone acknowledged they were killing town.

I was sick and I came back and we had no time and a guy saying "kill me or nothing happens".

Like I didn't really have much choice, but yuuup

[Noraa]

Noraa you actively have made this game a chore for me by being a miserable person.

I think you're still scum because people taking pity on your woe is me act and you popping around and the way this day has gone do not indicate you are town.

I'd love to see you shot if for no other reason than it helps me want to fucking play.

But unlike you, I actually shoot in order of how I suspect people, and Hopkirk is worse than you.

Now leave me the fuck alone, Noraa.

I'm sorry that's how I make you feel and I can't say much else without sounding stupid and fake. I'll shut up in the thread for a day where you can do whatever you want(I can only do 1 day cuz I can't just be away for all of the 2 day deadline). Take that time if you want but I definitely will not post until tomorrow afternoon.

[MUSHSHAGANA]

The thing that pisses me off about toog is like everyone acknowledged they were killing town.

I was sick and I came back and we had no time and a guy saying "kill me or nothing happens".

Like I didn't really have much choice, but yuuup

This was basically my reasoning, just in a different order. I had no position on Toog at first, then the obvtown came out when the wagon started and I checked the time and went "wow, that sucks".

I think Vax was a bad scroll target anyway. I had just gotten invested in heavily emphasizing sorting there... and all for nothing.



Re:Hopkirk, one of my flaws is that I have a strong scum-tell and honestly, I don't know how effective it is.

Inconsistency is scum. Contradiction is NAI, but /inconsistency/ is scum.

Okay, dropping the poem gimmick, sure. I didn't like the posts after that, still too obfuscatory, but dropping the gimmick isn't necessarily a BAD thing. Particularly at the pace of this nightmare thread: I once wrote a parody sonnet that I had mostly prewritten for me by someone, and it still took me 45 minutes. I had a friend many years ago who tried to oompa-loompah post for a week and their responses took upwards of an hour for critically important things. Dropping the gimmick: I'll give you that, NAI.

But the post-gimmick posts were still ugly to me. I explained why in great detail. Sure enough, not long after I mention it, the jokes start to get cordoned off from the content.

I don't think town EVER successfully does this. Town might try and fail. Town might try and need to constantly correct their posts. Town might try and succeed better and better over the course of a full week. Town might say "bite me, asshole" and keep doing exactly as they are doing. I don't think town ever drops it entirely immediately. This is a me thing, and I've never gotten to test the tell before, but it pings me as scum.

This is because town has more incentive to just /be themselves/ in a game (people always talk about "their townie nature eventually showing through," which I think has some relationship to this), and jokes and sarcasm in every post tends to be a personality trait -- we all know That Guy who is inappropriately sarcastic for no reason and feels legitimate remorse when called out for it but can't help themselves. Scum is trying to fake their normal personality, because they have Secrets. Not everyone is affected by having Secrets, I grant you, but many people are. So for me, that inconsistency, the major changes in apparent personality, especially /prompted/ changes, these tend to be scummy to me. Hopkirk has shown evidence of this.

[Noraa]

I wanted to say I'm sorry but my finals for all of my classes this trimester happen this Friday and I really want to be here to help and not seem like total lurker but I need to vla. One of my grades needs a boost so I'll be vla until Friday afternoon. Im sorry and you can ask mod for a one day extension for scroll passing if we need my input. I'll catch up as fast as possible when I'm back and if you asked for an extension, I will 100% be able to input some.

@mod vla until Friday afternoon

[Tayl0r Swift]

why am I town, Taylor?

uh its kinda subtle but that post from noraa is very unlikely to come from scum. shes pushing fidget who had been largely townread or ignored. noraa as scum generally goes with the flow more and tries to buddy/pocket.

my top SR is Fidget and it has wavered a tiny bit due to her recent posting which I find a bit townier than before but I still do think that slot is prolly scum and I believe for the most part, people agree that slot is scum.

???

You call this against the flow?

yes, and there are a few more subtle things that indicate noraa is town.


one slot that stands out to me is titus, who normally scumreads me, provides VCA, and is active and pushing reads. i know titus said shes busy but its wigging me out that she townreads me and is sheeping me a bit, and is generally low-effort. can people who know titus better (have seen scum!titus) comment on her meta and her play here please?

for instance your reaction to me townreading you is very highly town indicative for you

[Tayl0r Swift]

Hopkirk is scum because of his british accent

everyone knows this

hmm ok maybe pooky is town after all. except pooky is canadian, canadians are scum

[Hectic]

---

Isis backflipped into Hectic's cubicle. The entrance had its intended effect; surprising and confusing Hectic.

"I need you to modkill Kanna from your game."

"Kanna?" Hectic began, "She isn't in my game, how would I modkill her?"

"Just make it happen."

"I don't understand what you mean-" Hectic protested.

"You're questioning things that you don't comprehend, Hectic. Modkill Kanna. Now."

Hectic paused for a moment, but then nodded, mumbling under his breath, "Modkilling Kanna. Got it."

---

[Hectic]

Kanna has been modkilled.

[Hectic]

(expired on 2020-10-30 19:02:47) left for Vaxkiller to pass the scroll.

[Kanna]

bah!

[Tayl0r Swift]

NOOOOOOOOOOOO how could you do this to kanna???

[shellyc]

im drunk has toogeloo passed the scroll yet.

[shellyc]

Hopkirk is definitely still scum and probably where the scroll should go, but I'm not in a good place to argue or fight for it right now.

i mean

hopkirk's case is basically that they've been middle-of-the-road/consensusy when they basically tried to push UNO and has been the catalyst (along with me) for the UNO push?
I don't get it at all

[shellyc]

My current POE pool of non deepwolves that probably has 3 scum:
Bell
Unowen
Flea
Lapsa
Toogeloo
Fidget

Why are we letting this reads list live

UNO/vax high chance of scum
fidget/flea are nulls

i completely do not understand this push and I think vax/UNO has much, much more scum equity than here

[shellyc]

The thing that pisses me off about toog is like everyone acknowledged they were killing town.

while vax did not show opposition to that wagon

this sounds really lamist. if you were really concerned that toog was town you should have done more.

[Hopkirk]

bell and pooky, what are your reads on fidget?

I thought she was scum but then she said she was disappointed in me and I never, ever want to disappoint someone.

@Noraa, LLD's pretty good. I figure if she still holds that read she has good reason for it. Hopkirk got two of his eliminations and struck out both times. Time to actually give someone with a reputation for being good a try rather than just the loudest voice in the room.

So you're saying Vax is town before the flip?

[shellyc]

So you're saying Vax is town before the flip?

oh yay did we get vax

that's a scumslot imo

[Bell]

bell and pooky, what are your reads on fidget?

I thought she was scum but then she said she was disappointed in me and I never, ever want to disappoint someone.

@Noraa, LLD's pretty good. I figure if she still holds that read she has good reason for it. Hopkirk got two of his eliminations and struck out both times. Time to actually give someone with a reputation for being good a try rather than just the loudest voice in the room.

So you're saying Vax is town before the flip?

A fascinating angle to take.

[Bell]

Like, what’s the benefit of not working with potential town when they’re gunna die soon anyway?
If they’re scum, working with them does nothing.
If they’re town you just lost an opportunity for discourse that could help the game.

I don’t disagree that you’re playing a little robotically.

[Hopkirk]

Working with him in case town, sure.
Advising him as though he's town sure.
Changing your personal reads pre flip based on an assumption he's town in an inorganic way, nah.

My posting style is how I post. I don't really care that mush and lady are bad at interpretating tone.

[Fidget]

The thing that pisses me off about toog is like everyone acknowledged they were killing town.

Half the thread is misinterpreting this post, I believe. Vax is annoyed that everyone allowed Toog to pass the scroll to them. I do not believe they are saying they're annoyed that Toog got the scroll.

The thing that pisses me off about toog is like everyone acknowledged they were killing town.

while vax did not show opposition to that wagon

this sounds really lamist. if you were really concerned that toog was town you should have done more.

So you're saying Vax is town before the flip?

oh yay did we get vax

that's a scumslot imo

Somebody kill this individual. Do you actually believe this?

[shellyc]

Somebody kill this individual. Do you actually believe this?

yeeeeeah

think bringing up toog is indicative of them being annoyed at the toog kill but eh.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

No I had her as locktown for other reasons here
but in trials, I was pocketed hard after she called me town and I'm getting super paranoid bc she just called me town without giving a good reason. In trials she said I had secret town tells that I was unaware of.

Do you not consider the below a plausible reason for Tayl0r Swift to townread you?

uh its kinda subtle but that post from noraa is very unlikely to come from scum. shes pushing fidget who had been largely townread or ignored. noraa as scum generally goes with the flow more and tries to buddy/pocket.

my top SR is Fidget and it has wavered a tiny bit due to her recent posting which I find a bit townier than before but I still do think that slot is prolly scum and I believe for the most part, people agree that slot is scum.

???

You call this against the flow?

yes, and there are a few more subtle things that indicate noraa is town.


one slot that stands out to me is titus, who normally scumreads me, provides VCA, and is active and pushing reads. i know titus said shes busy but its wigging me out that she townreads me and is sheeping me a bit, and is generally low-effort. can people who know titus better (have seen scum!titus) comment on her meta and her play here please?

[shellyc]

isnt 3648 mainly about titus