Open 798 | PYPX/Y+I/M | Game Over!

[Infinity 324]

The way I see it, first they said they did it for the memes, then they said they did it for the memes and because they wanted to guarantee a unique number. How is that lying?

[JacksonVirgo]

I don't like the fact they refuse to read in the 4s or whatnot, I feel that's just stupid for town to do.

Exactly, the numbers should be the last thing on our minds d1. It doesn't actually become relevant until someone early in the draft doesn't get NK'd.

Is there a world where all the PRs are active btw?

I have not looked at all previous runs, but AFAIK there has always been at least one PR that is not chosen in the draft.

Oh okay, I mean it makes sense as to there being at least one considering how the draft works but stil doesn't make being informed stronger than multitasking assuming the mafia are trying for PRs.

[JacksonVirgo]

The way I see it, first they said they did it for the memes, then they said they did it for the memes and because they wanted to guarantee a unique number. How is that lying?

They lied via omission.

[Infinity 324]

The way I see it, first they said they did it for the memes, then they said they did it for the memes and because they wanted to guarantee a unique number. How is that lying?

They lied via omission.

Explain the scum motivation here, and explain why it’s sooo unlikely for a townie to not say their entire draft strategy.

[JacksonVirgo]

The way I see it, first they said they did it for the memes, then they said they did it for the memes and because they wanted to guarantee a unique number. How is that lying?

They lied via omission.

Explain the scum motivation here, and explain why it’s sooo unlikely for a townie to not say their entire draft strategy.

Read the context, they were being called sus for choosing a number like that and instead of actually defending themselves they went via the "haha lul" approach and when I called them out on it they added another response to cater to what I said. Then their posts completely changed with tone before my suspicions being called trash by everyone else and then they went back to their general attitude but except the tone was still trash for a bit.

[Hoopla]

I mean yes but not that good of a thing.

It's much worse for town to lose a PR than it is for scum to lose a PR.

i don't necessarily agree with that. eliminating, say, a scum-vig is a HUGE swing in town's favour (as we saw in the last PYP game), whereas losing a town vig sucks, but isn't the end of the world.

i think people underestimate the power of scum roleblockers too. an active scum RB allows scum to neutralise twice as much town power per night (NK + RB).

generally speaking, my observation of the current meta is towns are far too scared to execute a player just because they claim a PR. so to see this level of enthusiasm for pressuring high draft picks is very refreshing. sometimes to execute scum, you have to risk losing PR's.

[Infinity 324]

The way I see it, first they said they did it for the memes, then they said they did it for the memes and because they wanted to guarantee a unique number. How is that lying?

They lied via omission.

Explain the scum motivation here, and explain why it’s sooo unlikely for a townie to not say their entire draft strategy.

Read the context, they were being called sus for choosing a number like that and instead of actually defending themselves they went via the "haha lul" approach and when I called them out on it they added another response to cater to what I said. Then their posts completely changed with tone before my suspicions being called trash by everyone else and then they went back to their general attitude but except the tone was still trash for a bit.

48 looks like a joke.

[JacksonVirgo]

The way I see it, first they said they did it for the memes, then they said they did it for the memes and because they wanted to guarantee a unique number. How is that lying?

They lied via omission.

Explain the scum motivation here, and explain why it’s sooo unlikely for a townie to not say their entire draft strategy.

Read the context, they were being called sus for choosing a number like that and instead of actually defending themselves they went via the "haha lul" approach and when I called them out on it they added another response to cater to what I said. Then their posts completely changed with tone before my suspicions being called trash by everyone else and then they went back to their general attitude but except the tone was still trash for a bit.

48 looks like a joke.

Not to me, it seems like a genuine read

[Hoopla]

Not to me, it seems like a genuine read

i can assure you i was being a hilarious jokester.

[Hoopla]

also, i am late to the party on this one, but i thought this was some spicy logic from PP:

There were a bunch of posts where I was like “ok, I don’t agree that this post makes someone more towny/scummy, but I see how someone could think that”.

So...if dgb had made the same post but with the reads reversed you would get the same out of it?

looked to me like infinity was stretching to give credit for a rather arbitrary collection of reads.

[the worst]

vote count 1.21

lilith2013 (5)

: PenguinPower, skitter30, Uncrowned, petapan, DrippingGoofball

petapan (2)

: Hoopla, JacksonVirgo

skitter30 (1)

: Dunnstral

JacksonVirgo (1)

: lilith2013

Hoopla (1)

: TheGoldenParadox

davesaz (1)

: Infinity 324

Not voting

: Something_Smart, Pine, davesaz

Deadline: (expired on 2020-11-02 21:15:00)

mod notes

:
- skitter30 v/la Fridays & Saturdays
- quack

[JacksonVirgo]

Still, my logic holds.

[skitter30]

Just to summarize where i'm at:

Town: uncrowned,
Town-ish: ss, peta, penguin, infinity
Idk: jv, pine, hoopla, dunn, tgp
Scum-ish: dgb, dave
Scum: lilith

[petapan]

Peta's posts surrounding me being sus of them is vastly different than the surrounding ones and then they bounce back when nobody else reciprocates my read.

nah

[petapan]

not sure if i should believe the junior detective act here

[lilith2013]

S_S feels like the voice of reason in this game which to me feels townie but the lack of substantial reads is concerning

Have you developed any outside of saying PP felt towny a while ago?

@SS if you're town, I'm happy to be proven wrong, but like, you calling out skitter on her response to JV's townread on her felt over the top

Hmm? His response to that was along the lines of "This is interesting, I wonder what to think. Slightly scummy."

The fact that he called it out at all feels like not-SS to me. It also reminded me of this post:

ngl, the speed is very unnerving.

Honestly, I think the number of people who immediately popped in to express their dislike for the wagon is much more notable.

in which he avoids interacting with the wagon, similarly to how he avoided commenting on the JV wagon here.

Ok so I don't have a ton of history with s_s, but other people seem to, so this seems like something that should be easily resolved? Either town!s_s tries to solve by asking sideline questions without throwing out a ton of opinions of his own, or he doesn't. I thought it was the former based on this interaction:

s_s, do you think it's important that people don't develop reads for bad reasons? (Don't remember that much about how you tend to play)

Sorry, missed that.

Yes, extremely.

I would rather have no reads than have reads based on bad reasons.

but I don't really feel like doing the meta research so if someone who's played with s_s before could give input that'd be great.

lack of reads NAI for SS
sideline opinions are whatever, NAI as an action in itself, but the way he said it felt very similar to a scumgame we had together, and I think it’s out of character to comment on skitter there but not the JV wagon or JV themselves

[lilith2013]

okay so I have a super crazy wild theory that SS and skitter are scum together and the reason that skitter's scumreading me so early is because they know I can read SS really well

What about Skitter do you think has been scummy thus far?

Does her ability to read you also go vice versa (as in she said she's good at reading you)

The rest of her play is pretty much null for me - like it’s towny but not in a way that I think is unfakeable, especially from skitter. I’m more commenting on her coming out of the gate scumreading me and basically doubling down now. I don’t think I’m particularly good at reading her? But I also don’t think she’s as good at reading me as she thinks (tangentially, I would have agreed with her before my most recent game, but after playing a mini normal I think the number of players in a game impacts my gameplay quite a lot; and in retrospect, this applied before my site-hiatus as well - any game over 9 players basically has me flailing around regardless of alignment.) so I think town!skitter would believe what she’s saying about me, but again... I don’t particularly think it’s fakeable.

[lilith2013]

have work calls, will try to finish catchup later

[skitter30]

But I also don’t think she’s as good at reading me as she thinks (tangentially, I would have agreed with her before my most recent game, but after playing a mini normal I think the number of players in a game impacts my gameplay quite a lot; and in retrospect, this applied before my site-hiatus as well - any game over 9 players basically has me flailing around regardless of alignment.) so I think town!skitter would believe what she’s saying about me, but again... I don’t particularly think it’s fakeable.

Citing your own words on my ability to read you
And hectic's game was a 13p

And i think that town!you takes a harder position on your read on me either way. And tries to divert me more, no matter what you think of my alignment

Have a great work day!

[Infinity 324]

Still, my logic holds.

Wait what’s the motivation to lie then?

[Infinity 324]

790 looks like “this is NAI in general but scummy here for ~reasons~”, which is a scumtell for me. 791 is just a scumpost.

VOTE: lilith

[petapan]

why's 791 a scumpost

[Infinity 324]

I feel like town just calls skitter a null read or adjust how she’s reading her instead of doing this “towny but not unfakeable” nonsense

[Something_Smart]

Lilith is making some pretty gross posts, yes.

I'm not sure that gross posting is alignment indicative for her.

[Something_Smart]

I would imagine I'll be able to read her better later in the game.

Which is good, because she's at the top of the draft and therefore not in consideration for execution for at least a few days.