Death Curse

[MURDERCAT]

i might have to eat my hat for saying this in a minute, but now that the scroll has been passed to two people i repeatedly said were obvtown and one we all agree is town, maybe we can listen to me when i say people are town?

Who's town

[Titus]

oh and the bigger reason titus is scum is that she isnt doing and VCA or any of her usual hunting stuff.

I can't VCA without flips. There's literally nothing to do on that front until the mod gets back.

That's another reason to flip Noraa though.

[Titus]

i might have to eat my hat for saying this in a minute, but now that the scroll has been passed to two people i repeatedly said were obvtown and one we all agree is town, maybe we can listen to me when i say people are town?

Who's town

She thinks Noraa is town. I know that. I've been trying to get her to explain that one.

[Tayl0r Swift]

i might have to eat my hat for saying this in a minute, but now that the scroll has been passed to two people i repeatedly said were obvtown and one we all agree is town, maybe we can listen to me when i say people are town?

Who's town

well we killed two obvtowns, but of the remaining:
taylor (me)
murder (you)
mush
adorable
LLD
noraa (pretty confident but its noraa)

and maybe shelly.

not really sure about the lurker slots (gloria, lapsa) or theta. dont even know who fred replaced.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Hopkirk. I feel like I want to keep you around

...with me in the dead thread.

VOTE: Hopkirk

If hopkirk flips like I think he will, please look at shellyC.

If he does flip town, I'm sorry. Maybe still look at shellyC


I cant seem to sort taylor with all thier posts

pookie still not sure about

Unowen is town if Hopkirk flips scum

Unfortunately there is probably also a scum in one of the slots that is lurking... I hate offing lurkers, but, it may have to be done.



I think I was wrong about Bell being scum.

Nah nah nah nah

nah nah nah nah

hey hey hey

gooooooodbyeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD was rude earlier so ill be passive-aggressive now. i can be a bit passive-aggressive and chirp her a bit but still cooperate and play as a team.

LLD is rude and has no complusion about manipulating biggest weakness as scum. Based on what little she's posted since I arrived, I don't see that.

shes been fine since you got here. it was before you got here that her aggression contributed to people replacing out.

I played aggressive and clean, and we have no idea why Isis replaced out, but if I had to guess it would be the game throwing nonsense toxic behaviour Noraa exuded.

I played a normal fucking game. You're the one who was endlessly rude.

But hey, the more frustrating people who die the better.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also, guess who is back?

The bitch is back.

Cause now I got no moral qualms and no one can fuck with me.

I just had multiple players admit and agree to trolling me and insulting me the player instead of my play.

So now anything I do this game, no matter how much I rage, they're admitting to instigating it.

So



I'm gonna have fun.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

So please, say shit.

Give me a fucking reason to read you for filth.

Just give me a reason, cause I've been loathing and hating this game for a little while now and trying to be nice, but the in thread confirmation is all I need.

[Tayl0r Swift]

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Cause you don't get to pretend anymore. You guys went fucking mask off.

You don't get to pretend to be anything but intentionally jerks to me. No snide comment "oh I didn't mean it like that".

You will get the full experience. And I will be morally fine. Cause you've admitted to instigating on purpose to upset me.

[Tayl0r Swift]

[Titus]

Hopkirk's still a scumflip right? LLD?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Hopkirk's still a scumflip right? LLD?

P. sure, despite their claims.

[Bell]

i might have to eat my hat for saying this in a minute, but now that the scroll has been passed to two people i repeatedly said were obvtown and one we all agree is town, maybe we can listen to me when i say people are town?

@hopkirk: final reads?

[Bell]

Oh my god I slept till 5 pm.

[Titus]

Tbh, I think this thread needs a bit more bluntness and to stop hiding behind others or jokes. Popular opinions need vetting here. Regardless of Hopkirk's alignment, TT seems pretty obvious. We can't allow that again.

[Noraa]

oh and the bigger reason titus is scum is that she isnt doing and VCA or any of her usual hunting stuff.

I can't VCA without flips. There's literally nothing to do on that front until the mod gets back.

That's another reason to flip Noraa though.

what? that logic sure doesn't click with me....
wdym no VCA so we need to flip noraa?

[Titus]

oh and the bigger reason titus is scum is that she isnt doing and VCA or any of her usual hunting stuff.

I can't VCA without flips. There's literally nothing to do on that front until the mod gets back.

That's another reason to flip Noraa though.

what? that logic sure doesn't click with me....
wdym no VCA so we need to flip noraa?

Flipping you tells us more about your wagon.

[MURDERCAT]

Popular opinions need vetting here. Regardless of Hopkirk's alignment, TT seems pretty obvious. We can't allow that again.

I mean, we literally could just go T>T>S the whole game and win no?

[Titus]

Popular opinions need vetting here. Regardless of Hopkirk's alignment, TT seems pretty obvious. We can't allow that again.

I mean, we literally could just go T>T>S the whole game and win no?

*does math*

You're right. I guess it's not as bad as I thought.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Popular opinions need vetting here. Regardless of Hopkirk's alignment, TT seems pretty obvious. We can't allow that again.

I mean, we literally could just go T>T>S the whole game and win no?

*does math*

You're right. I guess it's not as bad as I thought.

TITUS

I DID THE MATH EARLIER WHEN I

oh my goddddddddddddddddddd

[Bell]

i might have to eat my hat for saying this in a minute, but now that the scroll has been passed to two people i repeatedly said were obvtown and one we all agree is town, maybe we can listen to me when i say people are town?

@hopkirk: final reads?

...you thought toog and vax were obvious town?

[Titus]

Popular opinions need vetting here. Regardless of Hopkirk's alignment, TT seems pretty obvious. We can't allow that again.

I mean, we literally could just go T>T>S the whole game and win no?

*does math*

You're right. I guess it's not as bad as I thought.

TITUS

I DID THE MATH EARLIER WHEN I

oh my goddddddddddddddddddd

[Bell]

Cmon Taylor, there’s literally no way you would think that as town.
Also, it’s hard to sheep you when you’re scum reading me so you don’t see that prophetic from my perspective.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

its a trolling semi-defense of Noraa

I think it was just a joke

It can be both, right?

Like you shouldn't read into its content more than it being a joke, but its INTENT right, at that time?

mixed with Taylor's defense of Noraa being all meta here, making it kind of unarguable. Plus them being like "just sort them later, just sort them later".

It could definitely be intended as a soft defense to make Noraa's thing look less suspect since more people meme'd about it right?

Here's the problem in a game like this with "sorting someone later" right?

you can't think of this like a 15-5. Because every scum death minus the last one, also equals a town death.

Which means if we kill 4 scum, we're down 4 people, plus a kill is 5 guaranteed deaths.

Which means best case scenario we need to knock 5 townies off our townie list and start from there. Only way this doesn't happen is if it's best case scenario of execute a scum, scum passes to a townie, townie kills a scum.

however since the scum know who each townie are likely to murder, they will generally pass to people who won't murder them.

So usually, we're getting 2 town deaths for a scum death.

So consider it a 10-5 nightless vanilla with extra walking corpses.

if we go down a 3 town death hole and end up 7-5, we're in a _bad_ state cause the ration doesn't like to change.

Like... 12-5, even if we get 4 scum in a row, assumign 2 town to 1 scum looks like...

10-4
8-3
6-2
4-1
3-1 (from the kill shot)

So that's like a... REASONABLE outcome for this game, right? If things play on average. that puts us in an okay position because the next scroll just needs to include the scum on it.

But imagine we get even ONE MORE MISS.

and it's suddenly 9-5
7-4
6-3
4-2
2-1
1-1 from shot

We're done. We would need a townie miracle recovery where we kill 2 scum in one cycle of curses to win.

That's why putting people "off until later" is bad. Because we need to find and kill scum to get evidence as best as possible and we can't afford to triple miss.

Which is why I'm suspicious of anyone who is halting wagon progress that is developing information.

I am curious what would qualify as a good wagon to Tayl0r rn. Or if there are no good wagons, then what is stopping Noraa from being the best one out of currently available options?

Also, a question to the people discussing the mech: Did you decide it was worthwhile enough to give the final scroll pass to the scummiest player? Or should we not bother?

I understand that, in a way, we block a night kill if the final bounce is to scum. But that will require us dictating to the second chosen player who to pick, which is unfortunate. We also might learn something from who scum passes the scroll to anyway. That is why I am not sure what our best option is.

There are the following outcomes

Vote to Kill Town-> Pass to Town->Pass to Town=0
Vote to kill Town->Pass to Town->Pass to Scum=1
Vote to kill Town->Pass to Scum->Pass to Town=1
Vote to kill Scum->Pass to Town->Pass to Town=1
Vote to kill Scum->Pass to Town->Pass to Scum=2

Those are all the outcomes. You need to think of it like this. Because scum will always pass to town, if we vote to kill a townie, we basically get 2 vig shots to make it up and avoid the 0 result. A result of 1 is a "fine result" and what we want to aim for. If we score 1 on all our rounds, we will win the game.

So essentially, if we get a townie, we should consider our two shots as independent because remember scum can lie about if they were scum when they get cursed.

So, in essence, the first pass from the person we vote to the next player we should always assume they are a townie. 4/5 times they are, and in the only time they are NOT, we're always in the "Score 1" world which is just fine by us.

So basically, we can work and do plans and stuff with the middle person as if they were a confirmed townie. The voted for person... less so. If they're scum, they'll pass to a townie and there's just no work we can do with them.

If they're a townie, they will just do as they want given we voted them out.

So in my mind, you just want to let the person we voted do what they want, and then let the middle person be treated as a confirmed townie, ask questions and work together to help them make a good informed choice but not control them.

And if we focus on it like that, we up our odds to hit the 2 score world, and lower our odds to hit the 0 score world.

I am curious what would qualify as a good wagon to Tayl0r rn. Or if there are no good wagons, then what is stopping Noraa from being the best one out of currently available options?

Also, a question to the people discussing the mech: Did you decide it was worthwhile enough to give the final scroll pass to the scummiest player? Or should we not bother?

I understand that, in a way, we block a night kill if the final bounce is to scum. But that will require us dictating to the second chosen player who to pick, which is unfortunate. We also might learn something from who scum passes the scroll to anyway. That is why I am not sure what our best option is.

There are the following outcomes

Vote to Kill Town-> Pass to Town->Pass to Town=0
Vote to kill Town->Pass to Town->Pass to Scum=1
Vote to kill Town->Pass to Scum->Pass to Town=1
Vote to kill Scum->Pass to Town->Pass to Town=1
Vote to kill Scum->Pass to Town->Pass to Scum=2

Those are all the outcomes. You need to think of it like this. Because scum will always pass to town, if we vote to kill a townie, we basically get 2 vig shots to make it up and avoid the 0 result. A result of 1 is a "fine result" and what we want to aim for. If we score 1 on all our rounds, we will win the game.

So essentially, if we get a townie, we should consider our two shots as independent because remember scum can lie about if they were scum when they get cursed.

So, in essence, the first pass from the person we vote to the next player we should always assume they are a townie. 4/5 times they are, and in the only time they are NOT, we're always in the "Score 1" world which is just fine by us.

So basically, we can work and do plans and stuff with the middle person as if they were a confirmed townie. The voted for person... less so. If they're scum, they'll pass to a townie and there's just no work we can do with them.

If they're a townie, they will just do as they want given we voted them out.

So in my mind, you just want to let the person we voted do what they want, and then let the middle person be treated as a confirmed townie, ask questions and work together to help them make a good informed choice but not control them.

And if we focus on it like that, we up our odds to hit the 2 score world, and lower our odds to hit the 0 score world.

Everyone needs to read and agree to this. This is a breakthrough. In ALL RELEVANT WORLDS the 2nd cursed player who has their final choice is AN EFFECTIVE CONFIRMED TOWNIE.

Because if they're scum there's just no point. They can troll and fuck around but with no power roles, they're just wasting time.

So literally the 2nd person is always confirmed town and we should treat them as such and work with them to get the best outcomes.