Death Curse

[Tayl0r Swift]

time to update this:

people who are town:
mush
isis/vax (yep)
lld
noraa
murdercat
(me)
adorable
(hopkirk)yep
theta
fred campbell

people who are scum:
fidget
bell
pooky
unowen
titus
toogeloo (nope, but did get moved up since the last time i posted this)
shelly? (isnt scum with both pooky and bell but could easily be scum with one of them)

unsure of:
flea
gloria
lapsa

i bet at least 4 of my scum actually are scum.

[Tayl0r Swift]

for those who see theta suddenly in town after me just questioning theta and go ????
theta complaining that those people died pinged me, so i checked the iso. theta did townread them and went out of his way to stick up for them. its not my most confident townbin ever, but im satisfied for now. im pretty confident that this game is solvedish. or at least that this is a winning PoE.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i cant believe t-swizzle is still alive

[Bell]

Toog is Deadtoen and I’m town. So not great odds of that being true.

[Noraa]

Spoiler:

No I had her as locktown for other reasons here
but in trials, I was pocketed hard after she called me town and I'm getting super paranoid bc she just called me town without giving a good reason. In trials she said I had secret town tells that I was unaware of.

Do you not consider the below a plausible reason for Tayl0r Swift to townread you?

uh its kinda subtle but that post from noraa is very unlikely to come from scum. shes pushing fidget who had been largely townread or ignored. noraa as scum generally goes with the flow more and tries to buddy/pocket.

my top SR is Fidget and it has wavered a tiny bit due to her recent posting which I find a bit townier than before but I still do think that slot is prolly scum and I believe for the most part, people agree that slot is scum.

???

You call this against the flow?

yes, and there are a few more subtle things that indicate noraa is town.


one slot that stands out to me is titus, who normally scumreads me, provides VCA, and is active and pushing reads. i know titus said shes busy but its wigging me out that she townreads me and is sheeping me a bit, and is generally low-effort. can people who know titus better (have seen scum!titus) comment on her meta and her play here please?

Ok and do you think a scum would use the same thing on me two times in a row? yes I'm stupid but I'm not that stupid.

[Tayl0r Swift]

Toog is Deadtoen and I’m town. So not great odds of that being true.

actually my solve is 2 of {you, pooky, shelly} so even if you are town my PoE doesnt change. but i think shelly is the town in you three. and my uncertainty is why im pushing for the other 4 first. once we sort those 4 we can flip you 3 as needed.

[Noraa]

Spoiler:

time to update this:

people who are town:
mush
isis/vax (yep)
lld
noraa
murdercat
(me)
adorable
(hopkirk)yep
theta
fred campbell

people who are scum:
fidget
bell
pooky
unowen
titus
toogeloo (nope, but did get moved up since the last time i posted this)
shelly? (isnt scum with both pooky and bell but could easily be scum with one of them)

unsure of:
flea
gloria
lapsa

i bet at least 4 of my scum actually are scum.

sorry to break it to u but like ......... some people died. u will have to try again

[Tayl0r Swift]

i noted that they died.

[Noraa]

but like why they still on there?

[Bell]

Not great odds of that being true is the keyword there.

[Tayl0r Swift]

but like why they still on there?

by showing that ive been right in townbinning people to this point then maybe people will listen to the rest of my townreads. if we hit all the nulls and scums on that list then even if theres a deepwolf we are in a really good spot.

[Noraa]

but like why they still on there?

by showing that ive been right in townbinning people to this point then maybe people will listen to the rest of my townreads. if we hit all the nulls and scums on that list then even if theres a deepwolf we are in a really good spot.

ok fair point. I was thinking about sheeping murders SRs until I realized that like that solve .... be lookin interesting, especially post flip.

ahem this be payback for you saying I would get no support from town and also for death tunneling me earlier, *murder* >:(

[MURDERCAT]

ok fair point. I was thinking about sheeping murders SRs until I realized that like that solve .... be lookin interesting, especially post flip.

ahem this be payback for you saying I would get no support from town and also for death tunneling me earlier, *murder* >:(

I said you wouldn't be a town leader. You can tell me about shelly though I'll listen to that

[Bell]

VOTE: Taylor

Happy to move my vote back to Fred whenever.

[Bell]

I think we should be trying to hit scum every round btw.
Ultimately whoever gets the scroll is the one that chooses which is why the votes ended up as they did.

[Bell]

VOTE: Fred

Nvm this is my pick.

[MUSHSHAGANA]

I'm giving myself a to-do list, because these flips sucked for immediate info and fucking hell I do not look forward to sifting through /160 some pages/ of /utter garbage/ to figure out how to continue based on them.

1: Find who was shading Hopkirk other than obvtowns, and if their shade predates obvtown aggression there. (Hooray, only the first 45 GODDAMNIT pages to hunt through and I can quickskim my way through most of it.) Especially interesting would be people who shaded there early, gave them a chance as town during the first, LLD-led, wagon, then went all in on the scumtrain when curses started flying, but I refuse to look that far into it.
2: Find who, if anyone, was trying to kill Isis but suddenly townread Vax, and compare their ISOs. (Again, good for quick skimming and limited pages.)
3: Find anyone who read Toog as town early and stuck to their guns. Oh, thanks Tayl0r. So: find ANYONE ELSE who read Toog as town early and stuck to their guns, then compare ISOs of ALL of them against whoever exists in groups 1 and 2. (This is the worst, though at least it's skimmable...)

Are there any other scum groups I can find off of this? Not particularly, I think. So I guess I should hope that the scumteam is greedy for towncred.

Oh yes. That's right. You can groan and facepalm now, because your worst fears are true.

I don't know that a single one of these groups (aside from 3: thanks Tayl0r!) exist, just that all of them WOULD look suspiciously good after these flips and yet would make no fucking sense in context. This tedious bullshit slog of a game...



For now, I'm parking on Bell. I was townreading there but I have nulled anyone who wasn't based on gut or obvtowning because otherwise my POE has to be wrong now. Also, I hate the hyper-posters with a passion borne of insanity because continuing to deal with five pages every few hours will give me pernicious fucking gout. VOTE: Bell

[Bell]

Are you telling me to shut up or are you just scum reading me?

[MUSHSHAGANA]

More like "you post almost as much as Pooky and my reads can't be trusted right now so fuck it, you're my placeholder wagon."

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Mush has found my Sith Apprentice with her investigative abilities

[Bell]

So you’re voting me because you don’t trust your own reads but you trust...Taylor swifts reads?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Darth Swizzle is a valuable member of the Sith Alliance

she will cloud the jedi's visions

[Bell]

I’m probably parked on Fred,
Done being patient for a scum flip.

Join me when you want.
Or don’t whichever.

[MUSHSHAGANA]

Tayl0r's reads are trash too. But she ISO'd Theta and found that Theta had been townreading Toog all along. I trust she wouldn't lie about something so easily disproven. For me, that's work I don't need to do on Theta and makes Theta likely to be scum regardless of Tayl0r's alignment.

[MUSHSHAGANA]

And also: no, Bell, I'm not voting elsewhere because I don't trust my own reads and I'm voting you because if we're going to just hit town every go around because we can't get decent reads in, I want to make that gamble on one of the thread-stretching hyperposters so I can at least avoid the dizzying heights of madness I'm headed for now.