Death Curse

[Bell]

Maybe you should have said something directly to me before making this executive decision.
Or I dunno.
Maybe just don’t read my posts and assume I’m town. I have a lot of posts that pretty clearly point to me not knowing who the scum are or who the town are.

[Tayl0r Swift]

Tayl0r's reads are trash too. But she ISO'd Theta and found that Theta had been townreading Toog all along. I trust she wouldn't lie about something so easily disproven. For me, that's work I don't need to do on Theta and makes Theta likely to be scum regardless of Tayl0r's alignment.

which of my reads do you disagree with? theta presumably.

[MUSHSHAGANA]

I can't just read everyone-else's posts however. Your posts are innately in the thread. Sure, sure, I could just try and piece together thread flow by ISOing everyone who's posted since my last post, but please remember I'm trying to /avoid/ the fucking tedium and hideous workload.

WHY do you care that I'm parking a placeholder vote on you with admittedly no reason other than "if we're going to eliminate at random, please let's at least make the thread readable"? If it was like, a scumread, sure, I get giving a fuck, but I'm clearly worn down and worn out and doing this for lack of energy and willpower to try and pick something reasonable right now. Why pick this fucking fight? Why bother? You have no hope of making any change to how I feel here, I'm burnt out and it's partially your fault so my vote's parked for lack of anything else I want to work with until tomorrow. What's your goal here, what do you /really/ expect to get out of this?

[Bell]

It’s the no reason part plus I hate being voted.
Scroll me, but don’t vote me plz.

[Bell]

I’ll active lurk so you don’t have a migraine,

[Lapsa]

lapsa is a cheap filler slot because lapsa isnt contributing.

blame Bell

I’m not sure if I wanna just give the first scroll to lapsa or not.

He doesn’t post much.
And the game’s unique mechanic makes sure that he gets a fair shake at hunting if he’s town this game,

Win/win

He’ll probably just throw the scroll in my face tho.

perhaps too late but I have adapted to the setup

[MUSHSHAGANA]

Partially out of frustration and partially out of pettiness I will agree to eliminate either of Tayl0r or Bell right now, on account of thinking that anything is going to come out of me at the moment but madness, horror and death.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

kill taylor

she will kill me

i will kill noraa

that's like half the top 5 gone

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Wow bell stole my post count crown

what dark magic is this?

[MUSHSHAGANA]

Add Pooky to the list.

What's that, I'm not letting anyone even make a deal with me?

You're absolutely right, I am fighting for air and everyone is a menace right now. Give me space or I will bite your head off etc etc. Contribute meaningful fucking content. Go ISO someone so I don't have to. Something useful, something that means I can avoid doing literally any work, I beg of you.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Can you hear my whispers in your head Mush? :3

[MUSHSHAGANA]

VOTE: Pooky

what part of my last few posts sounded like "please go shitpost some more and further clog the thread with irrelevant bullshit" i swear to fuck and YES i recognize im contributing to this HIDEOUS NIGHTMARE but if in the end i make these hyperactive shitposters do something that helps us sort through this mess i think we can all call it a win

...

Ahem.

Go do something /useful/.

USEFUL.

[Tayl0r Swift]

mush just dont read pooky's posts. theres no content in most of them, and someone else will respond to the rest. talk to me about what you dont like about my readlist

[Lapsa]

hi Titus

@mc still mad at me?

[MUSHSHAGANA]

VOTE: Tayl0r

I am playing a scorched earth game right now. You are getting /nothing/ from me until I have what I want, and right now I have nothing more specific there than "most of the content in thread to be the bare minimum of fucking worthwhile", so just assume you will receive nothing but terror and zero-basis death-tunnels from my slot until such time as morale improves. No helpful content will come from me until I see actual effort, and the bitch of the thing is it's not even something most folks have any real control over. You can be the most helpful and obeisant churl to ever bow before me and if Pooky's still shitposting I will step on your gifts and scream for the guards that don't exist. Doesn't that just suck? Isn't it the worst damned thing you ever heard? I'd say I'm sorry, but I think I'm incapable of remorse at the moment.

[Gloria Cleary]

Spoiler: They knew they didn't have long. They knew as soon as they'd laid eyes upon the strange runes that the scroll held. Still, that hadn't prepared them for how death would call... Toogeloo was in a deep slumber one night when he heard a phone ringing downstairs... he was on the ground floor. This was slightly alarming, but Toogeloo didn't have much longer to think about it, as a eldritch horror of a Panda appeared from a dark portal in front of him, and bit his head off. He was... Spoiler: Town Vaxkiller was harpooned by his lamp after he failed to forward the email he received to 10 others. A classic error. He was... Spoiler: Town Hopkirk awoke an ancient evil as he went robbing an old Burial Tomb. Not sure why, but maybe he just went for it since he knew he didn't have long left. He was mummified. He was... Spoiler: Town

I’m back now and I was right on Vax, LLD was wrong on Hopkirk, so you people need to listen to me on Noraa.

[Lapsa]

Unowen/Lapsa have oddly similar top 5 lists. Shelly 1/each other 2/me 3.

hop is correct

MUSH's blitz list is fantastic, only requires slight amendment.

shellyc
Lapsa
Hopkirk
Pooky
Zdenek

Noraa
Pooky
Adorable
Lapsa
Theta

Subject to change. Not ranked.

shellyc
UNOwen
Hopkirk
Titus
Zdenek

Ranked.

more than anything - punched mush/uno/titus

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Spoiler:

No I had her as locktown for other reasons here
but in trials, I was pocketed hard after she called me town and I'm getting super paranoid bc she just called me town without giving a good reason. In trials she said I had secret town tells that I was unaware of.

Do you not consider the below a plausible reason for Tayl0r Swift to townread you?

uh its kinda subtle but that post from noraa is very unlikely to come from scum. shes pushing fidget who had been largely townread or ignored. noraa as scum generally goes with the flow more and tries to buddy/pocket.

my top SR is Fidget and it has wavered a tiny bit due to her recent posting which I find a bit townier than before but I still do think that slot is prolly scum and I believe for the most part, people agree that slot is scum.

???

You call this against the flow?

yes, and there are a few more subtle things that indicate noraa is town.


one slot that stands out to me is titus, who normally scumreads me, provides VCA, and is active and pushing reads. i know titus said shes busy but its wigging me out that she townreads me and is sheeping me a bit, and is generally low-effort. can people who know titus better (have seen scum!titus) comment on her meta and her play here please?

Ok and do you think a scum would use the same thing on me two times in a row? yes I'm stupid but I'm not that stupid.

So, are you saying she has done that before?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Spoiler:

No I had her as locktown for other reasons here
but in trials, I was pocketed hard after she called me town and I'm getting super paranoid bc she just called me town without giving a good reason. In trials she said I had secret town tells that I was unaware of.

Do you not consider the below a plausible reason for Tayl0r Swift to townread you?

uh its kinda subtle but that post from noraa is very unlikely to come from scum. shes pushing fidget who had been largely townread or ignored. noraa as scum generally goes with the flow more and tries to buddy/pocket.

my top SR is Fidget and it has wavered a tiny bit due to her recent posting which I find a bit townier than before but I still do think that slot is prolly scum and I believe for the most part, people agree that slot is scum.

???

You call this against the flow?

yes, and there are a few more subtle things that indicate noraa is town.


one slot that stands out to me is titus, who normally scumreads me, provides VCA, and is active and pushing reads. i know titus said shes busy but its wigging me out that she townreads me and is sheeping me a bit, and is generally low-effort. can people who know titus better (have seen scum!titus) comment on her meta and her play here please?

Ok and do you think a scum would use the same thing on me two times in a row? yes I'm stupid but I'm not that stupid.

So, are you saying she has done that before?

[Bell]

I don’t know what to say.
Scum and power roles replace out more than town do statistically speaking.
There are no power roles.

If you think the empirical chances are diminished because he made some role spec at the start, that’s cool.

Phone died.

A couple of % points are a couple of percentage points.

I've seen scum with unique role spec, dumb role spec etc.
I've seen town do the same.

Scum however, may have role spec they thought up even before they got their role pm and when they role scum they might go that route to avoid doing nothing.

There really is enough time for a zdenek wagon/ taylor wagon imo.

I dunno why this is locking up besides scum being happy with it.

Slight story time derail.

Did you know that people who have reads that don't align with the majority are usually eliminated more than random and they are more likely to flip town than random as well?

I too am SR on Zdenek.
If I got the scroll and taylor was already dead I was prolly going to pass it to the composer.
He's got that stiff scum just replaced into the game aura.

I’m just gunna go with the safest option here.
I think he’s scum for lurking.

It’s verified lurking. Totally different.

also how is that a "safe" option? thats a decent candidate for second scrollholder, but never first.

It’s safe in that to me it’s probably a sure bet.

I mean I saw him in the lobby twice and he didn’t post either time,
.
His entrance was stiff and his follow up asking for a question was extremely neutral in a scummy way.

Shelley. Says he’s always stiff. But stiff is stiff is stiff.

VOTE: Noraa

Maybe this will gain her attention

Super narrow view.

He’s read the game but his focus is on one person, whilst refraining from looking more widely.
His request for attention and then a follow up vote is very vanilla scum play: “here’s my justification for voting you, you ignored me!”

It’s just my newbie scum game.
It’s surface townie. Imo. Mostly due to vibes of “frankness” And consistency.

Like I imagine that if you’re town it scum pings you that I pointed at a lurker.
But here, he just made what I would call a “blameless vote”

Like I imagine that if you’re town it scum pings you that I pointed at a lurker.
But here, he just made what I would call a “blameless vote”

yeah but why go for a blameless vote? why not push something interesting to get the game moving? this is basically a vanity wagon that most people are gonna ignore because your reasoning is "stiff"... youve gotta have better reads than that at this point in the game.

Cause it’s scummy. Blameless votes are that way.

fine. Case organized for you.

[MUSHSHAGANA]

Look at that! Useful posting! Gold star! A+! Okay, not an A+, don't want to give too much away.

And ... I agree.

I was going to give Fred a temporary pass for the lack of disinterested "no one's posting anything useful so I have no opinions" garbage that got me highly (and admittedly, incorrectly) scumreading him in Newbie 2025. In fact, I did. In fact, I gave him such a pass that I saw him ask why I told him to take a moment to check his predecessor's ISO and let it go; maybe he just didn't see how bad his predecessor played. In fact, I took the slot out of my scumreads (where it was my number one scumread) to give him a fighting chance.

Too bad. I made a mistake, clearly: his posts have been coasty bullshit pushing and shading the easiest target in the entire fucking player list. Seriously, I think the only reason Noraa didn't go down in the scrollpassing yesterday is that no one wanted to deal with me and Tayl0r yelling "told you so" and /maaaaaaybe/ general feelings of "too scummy".

Town Fred also willingly engages in pointless setup spec and statistical nonsense, changes reads rapidly and without explanation, spreads his pressure out, and has trouble turning down a challenge being mounted on his slot. Bad looking play but engaged and capable of fighting the fight, more or less big-picture approach. I think that last part would be the most consistent tell of Fred's -- the personality doesn't strike me as suited to detail-work and I don't think that changes even if Fred's overall play has improved. I also think the change in level of engagement in the "science" of the game doesn't change, though interest levels in individual games probably vary.

Here we see coasty active-lurking tunnel play pushing the easiest miselimination possible, scummy garbo play that ignores or attempts to redirect any and all suspicion aimed in its direction. Disengaged without being disinterested, overly focused on small ball bullshit, inactive, unwilling to spread engagement around the player list. Not the town Fred I've seen, practically the exact opposite. Only the slightly snarky, arrogant tone of typing remains.

[shellyc]

fred is scum based off newb 2025 +1 to that I think.

so. yeah. taylor -> pooky -> noraa gets rid of 2 scum.

[shellyc]

fred sounds really pedantic and really excusey imo

Bell continues to go upwards in my reads, I'll join you on fred if needed

[MUSHSHAGANA]

I just doublechecked Fred's ISO to be sure I wasn't asspulling the above post and SURE ENOUGH! Literally no pressure has been anywhere but on Noraa. Surprisingly enough, the pressure itself is absolute garbage -- I was giving Fred such a pass that I didn't realize that Fred is voting a slot for /no goddamn reason/, no case presented, literally just picking at supposed "contradictions" that don't even add up to anything even /if/ you assume they're from scum. Too bad that not even "assuming scum" holds here when Fred's arguing in favor of people townreading the very fucking slot the pressure is on. It's a totally incoherent mess of an ISO and it isn't even aimed in a singular direction.

Like, I look at the post Fred wants replies to and I go "wow if I was in the line of fire here I'd ignore your nonsense too".

VOTE: Fredrick A Campbell

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

VOTE: Fred