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[Infinity 324]

I was just voting for pressure, I feel like we'll get enough out of the slot

[VP Baltar]

I was just voting for pressure, I feel like we'll get enough out of the slot

Who should we yeet then?

[Infinity 324]

{gerain, koba, DGB, andres, zdenek} is my PoE atm

[VP Baltar]

I can get down with a gerain compromise

[Tayl0r Swift]

we can do better than gerain, especially since gerain should be come more sortable on later days.

[VP Baltar]

we can do better than gerain, especially since gerain should be come more sortable on later days.

He's legit scummy. I'm not interested in Koba or Jackson or you, for that matter.

[VP Baltar]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: geraintm

Let's do this while we wait for the replacements to catch up. This day also has too many pages already (yes, I'm old).

[Flavor Leaf]

UNVOTE:

No.

Sorry, but FL has definitely not shaken Math's scuminess just yet. FL is clearly a better player and needs to catch up before we just move on from this wagon.

Spicy

[VP Baltar]

It's because I love you

[geraintm]

we can do better than gerain, especially since gerain should be come more sortable on later days.

I'll just chip in that id rather not die today. But I don't mind being run up for a while until people decide to vote someone else off.
Putting pressure on me isn't going to alter my posts today for what it is worth. You aren't going to generate a reaction from me.
But if you want to see how others react, be my guest.

[Marky Mark]

Hello all

So I've caught up to the present, I'll drop my immediate take on what's gone down over the last 10 pages and will then leaf over things a bit more slowly over the course of the weekend.

Pages ~35-40 is a lot of reminiscing and fairly thin on actual game stuff, and I totally get that, as I'm sure for many of you here that is a big part of the appeal of playing, but it does make it harder to pick through the game and find the important stuff.

Welcome to FL and thanks for replacing in.

DGB posts of note

@DGB - what differentiates Not_Mafia (top of your townreads) from Geraint (in your scumreads)? Other players' reads have varied for those two, but those that I have been able to find tend to have read both of them as being in a similar place in terms of alignment. IMO they are both in a similar place of engaging with the game in a very limited manner and being very blatant about it although Not_Mafia takes this further.

I'm soulmason with Not_Mafia.

Geraint is a one-note whining machine moping about playing the game he signed up for, it's all excuses. Just lazy scum AtE.

DGB has made it clear she doesn't believe in meta, so I find her TRing N_M on the basis of being soulmasons (ie relationship outside of the immediate game) a bit off.

Ok you guys can just eliminate me straight up day 1, I hope that'll shut you all up forever about neta

I can the nonchalance about being lynched coming from a place of scum trying to look town. Obviously subjective tho

That Gamma vote on N_M

I think Gamma parking their vote on N_M as an initial act was fine. It served a purpose (pressure on an inactive and hard to read player) and N_M was not remotely close to being hammered. As a result, 899 from DK and 906 from Taylor look opportunistic where they call it out as scummy/bad.

Further to the above, DK claims in 909 that she is on the lookout for people trying to push LHF...

Im always on the lookout for whoever is trying to push LHF

... but she herself voted Geraint a couple of pages earlier, which is a wagon based on very similar principles (ie pressuring an inactive & hard to read player)

lets try this VOTE: geraintm

Additionally, VP made it clear in 882 that he was not against a N_M. DK did not comment on this, but then called out the Gamma Emerald vote, which shares a similar sentiment.

I'd be keen to hear from DK and/or Taylor why they felt a vote on N_M was bad in the circumstances. Taylor has also spoken out against a geraint vote, so she is at least consistent in her attitude towards low activity/engagement players, but would love to know why DK felt that voting Geraint was ok, but Gamma voting N_M wasn't.

[Marky Mark]

Some other thoughts

-1034 by Taylor asking what vote # the JV wagon was on feels like scum trying to look town (JV was nowhere near hammer so I'm not convinced she was legitimately worried that her vote could put him dangerously close)
-1094 where FL claims to be a 2-Shot doc -> I'm presuming you aren't actually claiming here but that it's some sort of in-joke?
-That page where JV talked us through his mental state inc his relationship with death-tunnels felt town, as many others have already said.
-I feel like FL is reading way too much into the fake informed claim, but NAI

Zdenek's contribution and others' reaction to it

Around page 28, I think that Taylor is scum telling us Math is town.

This is not a remotely new argument, which makes me question DKs assertion in 1157 that his tone comes off as independent, especially when it was an argument that DK herself made earlier:

weird bc ur sudden defense of math gives me scum vibes from you instead

DGB also TRing the slot after that post doesn't fill me with confidence, but that bit is a bit more circumstantial

[Marky Mark]

EBWOP

Additionally, VP made it clear in 882 that he was not

against a N_M

. in 1185 ouught to have read "a N_M

elimination

"

[JacksonVirgo]

But pls understand its hard to fight a tunnel thats

based in things that i have done as part of my solving process

Could you explain what you meant by the bolded? I was re-reading the talk we had

[JacksonVirgo]

im reformed i try not to get into 1v1 shitfights anymore bc it clouds my reads :/

you keep putting off this promised readlist

i do?

Yep, you've been called put on it numerous times

Lol we can still yeet this garbage folks

Could you make a case on them please? They're pretty scummy to me but not as much as another imo, but I can do a consolidation yeet if you can case them well enough.

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: jackson

You just said you TR'd me? Confuzzled I am

this is not a townie reaction to being voted by someone who said they townread you.

Explain how this is not a townie reaction. You literally 180'd on me, which "is not a townie progression from voting someone who they said they were town-reading"

[JacksonVirgo]

that doesnt make sense but ok

Can I ask why that doesn't make sense to you, I don't personally

see

what they say but the basis of that makes a lot of sense.

[JacksonVirgo]

ok so i had this solve wrt your slot and math slot.

math!scum implied you!town.

im pretty sure u are scum otherwise.

flavor coming in and towntelling is leaning me on u being scum.

your engagement once flavor came in also at the same time felt fake and "participatory" i.e. u were just trying to look like u were there.

That's a super fluffy way to say you read them and math as a TvS

[JacksonVirgo]

I don’t really care for your description of my progression on Koba

Could you explain it?

Around page 28, I think that Taylor is scum telling us Math is town.

could you explain it?

dejavu

[JacksonVirgo]

dgb you remind me a lot of yourself in the trials where you just sheeped popular views and nudged the most consensus incorrect reads. (dgb and i were scum together there). we were quite effective.

Meta really is rubbish.

Not a big fan of this interaction, I think there would be at least one scum in the pair. Or at least aorn I would say there would be

[JacksonVirgo]

we can do better than gerain, especially since gerain should be come more sortable on later days.

How would you ever know they'll be more sortable than anyone else.

[Marky Mark]

In terms of where my reads are at RN having caught up to the present:

Towny:

Andres
Gamma

Weak town:

JV
Infinity, to a lesser extent. He is nullish for me in terms of alignment, but he is clearly trying to facilitate the game state progressing.

True null, ie active/engaged but I don't have a strong read on them either way (ie I really ought to look at these slots more thoroughly as not a great deal from them has stuck out to me):

VP
Taylor
FL/Math

Null due to inactivity/not enough to form a read from

N_M
Geraint (somewhat scummier than N_M, but I have realized from looking at his other games that his behaviour is consistent with how he behaves as both alignments elsewhere).

Scummy:

DK
DGB (scummier, but with less certainty as there's less to go off for her).

Zdenek I am finding hard to place in the above, he shares some similarities with DGB in that he lurking in plain sight and not a N_M/Geraint style lurker. Tbqh, I am very wary of people coasting through and forcing us to guess their alignment later on off a limited pool of info, which makes me wary of the lurker slots including him.

I am happy to listen to the more experienced players here in terms of what has historically proven to be effective, but I think we need to have a coherent plan of what we are going to do about low activity slots (ie N_M, Geraint, Zdenek, DGB) that are currently coasting as we could quite conceiveably get to D2 and have 4 players in the pool that have very little for us to make a read off. I am voting DGB due to scumminess and my vote on her will hopefully also provide some utility in terms of encouraging her to engage more, but I am happy to be pragmatic and collaborate to apply pressure on another low-activity player like Zdenek

if we think the pressure would actually lead to something useful

[Marky Mark]

In terms of where my reads are at RN having caught up to the present:

Towny:

Andres
Gamma

Weak town:

JV
Infinity, to a lesser extent. He is nullish for me in terms of alignment, but he is clearly trying to facilitate the game state progressing.

True null, ie active/engaged but I don't have a strong read on them either way (ie I really ought to look at these slots more thoroughly as not a great deal from them has stuck out to me):

VP
Taylor
FL/Math

Null due to inactivity/not enough to form a read from

N_M
Geraint (somewhat scummier than N_M, but I have realized from looking at his other games that his behaviour is consistent with how he behaves as both alignments elsewhere).

Scummy:

DK
DGB (scummier, but with less certainty as there's less to go off for her).

Zdenek I am finding hard to place in the above, he shares some similarities with DGB in that he lurking in plain sight and not a N_M/Geraint style lurker. Tbqh, I am very wary of people coasting through and forcing us to guess their alignment later on off a limited pool of info, which makes me wary of the lurker slots including him.

I am happy to listen to the more experienced players here in terms of what has historically proven to be effective, but I think we need to have a coherent plan of what we are going to do about low activity slots (ie N_M, Geraint, Zdenek, DGB) that are currently coasting as we could quite conceiveably get to D2 and have 4 players in the pool that have very little for us to make a read off. I am voting DGB due to scumminess and my vote on her will hopefully also provide some utility in terms of encouraging her to engage more, but I am happy to be pragmatic and collaborate to apply pressure on another low-activity player like Zdenek

if we think the pressure would actually lead to something useful

[JacksonVirgo]

This day also has too many pages already (yes, I'm old).

I see this a lot from more experienced players and it baffles me ngl, because all I can remember is this type of speed game (or even faster sometimes) and it feels normal to me. I just like thinking about the experience differences as I think it's super cool

[JacksonVirgo]

UNVOTE:

No.

Sorry, but FL has definitely not shaken Math's scuminess just yet. FL is clearly a better player and needs to catch up before we just move on from this wagon.

Spicy

I don't like this response, but considering VP's response I think it's normal for them? I feel this is a cheap ass way to respond to a post that's saying that FL is still scummy or whatnot.