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[VP Baltar]

Andres is frustrating me because I hate people who say "you're reads are wrong therefore you're scum", it's an awful take and it's making it hard for me to read his recent posts objectively.

I think the point was more that your reads were maybe a bit broad and without controversy, rather than flat "wrong".

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Official Vote Count 1.08

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Official Vote Count 1.08

With 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to eliminate someone.

Not_Mafia: 2

(Not_Mafia, Gamma Emerald)

JacksonVirgo: 2

(Flavor Leaf, Tayl0r Swift)

DkKoba: 2

(JacksonVirgo, Infinity 324)

Infinity 324: 2

(geraintm, Andresvmb)

Flavor Leaf: 1

(DrippingGoofball)

geraintm: 1

(VP Baltar)

DrippingGoofball: 1

(Marky Mark)

Tayl0r Swift: 1

(DkKoba)

Not Voting: 1

(Zdenek)

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-11-06 00:19:20).

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[Flavor Leaf]

I'm not gonna stop commenting on things I see in the thread because you interpret them as pocketing.

i'm playing with you. Interesting take, though.

[Infinity 324]

Andres is frustrating me because I hate people who say "you're reads are wrong therefore you're scum", it's an awful take and it's making it hard for me to read his recent posts objectively.

I think the point was more that your reads were maybe a bit broad and without controversy, rather than flat "wrong".

Hmm if you think this why haven't you tried to correct me/push me on this? I've been pretty open about my reads.

[Flavor Leaf]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10938746

thing I say when people say things I like too much.

Started as Vorkuta's line, and he kept saying it to me, so it became a thing for us. I can't find the first Vorkuta-My line, though, but I found me saying it to Firebringer.

[Marky Mark]

I've been doing a bit of ISOing on VP as its a slot that hadn't really stuck out to me this game. I think Andres has already put across the key points on the previous page that he has been primarily focussed on going after low-activity slots, which is behavior that is aligned to the town's interests but is also unlikely to cause any great controversy, making it hard to sort him either way off the basis of that.

Hmm, this isn't a terrible argument against infinity. Still interested in Taylor's take on whether indecisiveness fits infinity meta D1.

This is NAI IMO but just generally would be keen to see people doing their own homework if looking for meta reads so that if we miselim they don't have the easy excuse of "player XYZ said this was a meta tell"

UNVOTE:

No.

Sorry, but FL has definitely not shaken Math's scuminess just yet. FL is clearly a better player and needs to catch up before we just move on from this wagon.

This line of inquiry has been fairly quiet recently - @VP has FL changed your mind on this slot?

Good luck with work tonight DK (side note: I'm curious to know what you do that has you work long hours on halloween). I'd love to hear more from you on your other reasons for scumreading infinity outside of the math wagon when you have a chance.

[Marky Mark]

Timely cross-post with VP's 1300 -> VP suggesting infinity's reads are broad and uncontroversial, while I am making a similar case on VP

I have also previously voted Geraint (before I did more homework on his previous games) and am voting DGB so I'm totally doing this as well - I'm not saying its bad or wrong, especially when it comes to pressuring low info slots, it just makes it harder to sort people

[VP Baltar]

Timely cross-post with VP's 1300 -> VP suggesting infinity's reads are broad and uncontroversial, while I am making a similar case on VP

I would say the difference is I'm doing more pushing to actually yeet these slots.

[VP Baltar]

Hmm if you think this why haven't you tried to correct me/push me on this? I've been pretty open about my reads.

I didn't think this until you succinctly posted your pool and Andres made his analysis.

I'm not quite decided on it, but my point was he was making a pretty legit criticism

[DrippingGoofball]

I'm liking Flavor Leaf so far.

[Marky Mark]

The previous votecount doesn't look right to me - unless I am missing something andres was voting infinity

[Marky Mark]

</busywork>

[VP Baltar]

This line of inquiry has been fairly quiet recently - @VP has FL changed your mind on this slot?

FL's posts are absolutely better than Math. Im just skeptical because it is clear FL is a capable player. Not ready to completely flip that read, but I admit FL makes it easier to prefer someone like geraintm

[Marky Mark]

Timely cross-post with VP's 1300 -> VP suggesting infinity's reads are broad and uncontroversial, while I am making a similar case on VP

I would say the difference is I'm doing more pushing to actually yeet these slots.

I'm not massively convinced of that atm. Infinity was #2 on the math flash wagon and you were #4. Outside of that, I see the geraint vote, but I can't see him responding to pressure. I do agree with your sentiment of narrowing the pool though and leaning towards a low-info slot over one we are likely to get more out of, all other things being equal.

[Marky Mark]

Goodnight all and thank you for the pleasure of your company. Please try not to write

too

many pages overnight

[VP Baltar]

if we miselim they don't have the easy excuse of "player XYZ said this was a meta tell"

That's not what I'm doing fwiw. I was asking for Taylor's take. If she had disagreed with infinity, I would have checked myself to see who was being more accurate.

[Infinity 324]

Timely cross-post with VP's 1300 -> VP suggesting infinity's reads are broad and uncontroversial, while I am making a similar case on VP

I would say the difference is I'm doing more pushing to actually yeet these slots.

I was pretty clear in that I'm not a big fan of a lim that gives on little info on d1, so I've been trying to find other options if possible.

[VP Baltar]

I'm liking Flavor Leaf so far.

Are you voting him though, carrying over from Math?

[VP Baltar]

I was pretty clear in that I'm not a big fan of a lim that gives on little info on d1, so I've been trying to find other options if possible.

Short of a not mafia lim, I think any elimination would carry an ok amount of info after 50 pages

[Marky Mark]

Last post for now - I promise

The previous votecount doesn't look right to me - unless I am missing something andres was voting infinity

Disregard this - infinity is listed twice seperately in the count. I just saw him on one vote and did a double take

if we miselim they don't have the easy excuse of "player XYZ said this was a meta tell"

That's not what I'm doing fwiw. I was asking for Taylor's take. If she had disagreed with infinity, I would have checked myself to see who was being more accurate.

I was just making the more general point that if people are going to use meta reasons to make a push, I want to see them have the courage of their convictions to put their own name behind it

[DrippingGoofball]

Goodnight all and thank you for the pleasure of your company. Please try not to write

too

many pages overnight

Just after I went to the cellar to fetch my best red wine

[DrippingGoofball]

I'm liking Flavor Leaf so far.

Are you voting him though, carrying over from Math?

Is there a rush? I don't really know who else to vote for right now, I have too many town reads.

[VP Baltar]

I'm liking Flavor Leaf so far.

Are you voting him though, carrying over from Math?

Is there a rush? I don't really know who else to vote for right now, I have too many town reads.

You had a list of four scum reads didn't you?

[VP Baltar]

Poof

[DrippingGoofball]

I don't know which one to vote for. Zdenek is being replaced, no one wants to eliminate geranium, NDmath's replacement is OK, and there's you.