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Post Post #525 (ISO) » Sat Oct 31, 2020 12:49 pm

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then we write up some contract and it forces her to die?
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Post Post #526 (ISO) » Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:23 pm

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Post Post #527 (ISO) » Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:32 pm

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In post 6, Titus wrote:If all four of us get nightkilled, we get 4 points.
there are four of you?

im reading through this and catching up. may i ask why you added me?
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Post Post #528 (ISO) » Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:47 pm

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In post 474, Nero Cain wrote:shelly
chemist
bell

are army

SS
math

are the pro-scum 3p faction
theres a pro-scum 3p faction? and we're sure its not A50's faction?
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Post Post #529 (ISO) » Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:58 pm

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i instantly regret adding u
Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

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Post Post #530 (ISO) » Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:00 pm

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In post 351, mastina wrote:
Spoiler: Spoilering quote for length
In post 350, mastina wrote:
In post 349, mastina wrote:shellyc/samantha97
Chemist1422/Christøpher
Bell
MathBlade/Vecna
Tayl0r Swift
jjh927
Pickaxe Pete
DiamondSentinel
Something_Smart/EchoVision
DrDolittle
TheGoldenParadox

This is an unordered list of the players not 100% confirmed not-scum.

From this list:
I feel like EchoVision was town and Something_Smart's contributions do seem to be town here, but I admit it's not locktown in terms of content. Still, probably someone who is more likely town than not, thus, bad elimination for days upon days. A "close to lylo, reevaluate, otherwise, trust" read. I'm removing him from the list.

jjh is an ascetic--schadd_ uses ascetics as both alignments, so this could be a scum role, but based on the setup with the roles revealed, along with my read on him, I feel like he's far more likely to be town. I'll not remove-remove him from the list, but will put his name in strikethrough text, to help indicate how likely it is that he's not scum, as an honorary-removal.

Pickaxe Pete, I think people are going, "active lurker, must be scum". But Pickaxe Pete, while having one of the lowest post counts in the game, isn't actually an active lurker; if you look at Pickaxe Pete's iso, there's no fluff in it. Pickaxe Pete isn't posting often, but when he does, it is actual solid real content. People say that his hop onto Gamma might've been arbitrary and he felt trapped and couldn't switch off--but if you look at his iso, that's not actually the case? He was a legitimate pusher of Gamma, and you can see it with posts like this and also this, where he is pushing for Gamma-scum by pointing out that the Gamma defenders don't have good grounds to stand upon.

I realize that he's not active and that his posts after D1 aren't quite as good and that he's in the list of three for scum--but honestly? I don't see the scum case for him at all and consider him to be town. I recognize that he's in the list of three though so instead of removing him from the list I'll underline him.

shellyc/samantha97
Chemist1422/Christøpher
Bell
MathBlade/Vecna
Tayl0r Swift
jjh927

Pickaxe Pete

DiamondSentinel
DrDolittle
TheGoldenParadox

shellyc's a slot I've strongly gut-townread, liking her content the entire game, but hearsay strongly suggests that she should be scum, because she's not hyperposting and not displaying low-hanging fruit tendencies; she's being reasonable, logical, pristine and precise. I have no gauge on whether this hearsay is accurate, but if it is, then she'd be scum. But left to my own devices, I'd call her town. She probably stays in the scum candidate list regardless.

Misty we're currently discussing. I felt that Christopher was nullscum, and Misty's play while looking better wasn't strongly town. There's multiple issues with her claim, but there is some soft evidence suggesting she did at least soft it D2 in spite of not having claimed it. So I can see her as town but think the evidence does point to scum more than town. She definitely stays in the scum candidate list.

Bell and Mathblade are just...a whole mess of ambivalence and messiness. I don't think they're on the same tier as Misty and shelly, but they're just...hard to pin down.

Tayl0r Swift has a bunch of town-looking content, but utterly atrocious interactions with Gamma; Gamma should've been suspicious of Tayl0r but instead thought her town, and Tayl0r was one of the Gamma defenders, a rather strong outspoken one. When it comes to any individual post, I'd say town, but when it comes to the whole with the stances being pushed, I'd say scum. Probably not in the same tier as shellyc/Misty, but close to.

DiamondSentinel is more or less a read where I can see the townness of the slot and want to trust that Titus's meta of DiamondSentinel (since Titus is one of the few players who I feel has good meta on him) is accurate when she says that he's strongly town. So he's among the least-likely.

DDL looks like scum through and through and is in the list of three, so he's among the most-likely.

TheGoldenParadox is basically a hybrid of Pickaxe Pete and Something_Smart, taking the town indicators of both of them but downplaying them to be less town than they are in their original slots. I can see him as town and do read him as such, but he does have some rather questionable areas of his iso and he's not in the same league of towniness. Still though, given this read, he's among the least-likely.

So now giving the list an ordered list:
jjh927

Pickaxe Pete

(Personally I'd remove from candidacy if not for being in the list of three)

DiamondSentinel
TheGoldenParadox
(Not removed, but among the least likely)

Bell
MathBlade/Vecna
(hard to get locked down)

shellyc/samantha97
Chemist1422/Christøpher
Tayl0r Swift
(Among the most likely)

DrDolittle
(By far the most likely)

Given there's four scum left alive, right now if you asked me for a solve given the above I'd go DDL-Tayl0r-Misty-shelly, but I don't know how likely it is and I'm definitely not going to push most of these hard.
Pagetopping this in here. (Will probably share inthread shortly, sorry to annoy you with it twice Almost50 but I use neighborhoods to hash out drafts for inthread content. :P)
Examples of refining:
I agree with Nero that Mathblade does seem to be breadcrumbing PR, and the way he's doing it makes me think town, so he'd be removed from the list altogether.

The way Tayl0r is active lurking (an actual example of active lurking!) is to me a strong scum indicator here, and while I see the town stuff Tayl0r has done, Tayl0r's scum interactions and scum active lurking say almost assured scum.
sorry. i was in 11-12 games at the time and wayyyyy overdid it. i should be better now.
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Post Post #531 (ISO) » Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:16 pm

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Did scum just dogpile? Math trying to rush a elim is :igmeou:
Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

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Post Post #532 (ISO) » Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:30 pm

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I guess Taylor is scum. read our wincon and then disappeared.
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edited c.s. lewis quote b/c limit
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Post Post #533 (ISO) » Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:44 pm

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?? im literally still reading. its 22 pages.
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Post Post #534 (ISO) » Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:48 pm

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also if youre choosing to townside to bait the nightkill, doesnt that imply theres another wincon you could choose?
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Post Post #535 (ISO) » Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:52 pm

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oh god oh god oh god why did u do this to us Titus?
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Post Post #536 (ISO) » Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:57 pm

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Taylor, i’m not going to sugarcoat it. We added you because we want you to die. Any of our hood members can suicide at will.
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Post Post #537 (ISO) » Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:59 pm

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i feel like its reasonable to ask questions in the privacy of a PT. i've been working under the assumption that youre town but now i can see under the hood and i just wanna verify. the thing about pro-scum 3p is interesting, since there are only 7 people who could possibly be in it, including 3 groupscum. that basically means shooting randomly we have at least 4/7 but prolly more chance of hitting scum today.
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Post Post #538 (ISO) » Sat Oct 31, 2020 8:00 pm

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In post 536, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Taylor, i’m not going to sugarcoat it. We added you because we want you to die. Any of our hood members can suicide at will.
yes i see that. i dont see why id do it though. i have no incentive to help the 3p win, especially if it hurts town's wincon. me dying hurts town and 3p winning doesnt help town.
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Post Post #539 (ISO) » Sat Oct 31, 2020 8:01 pm

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There is no pro-scum 3P Taylor. Wtf.
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Post Post #540 (ISO) » Sat Oct 31, 2020 8:01 pm

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Ok ur mafia.
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Post Post #541 (ISO) » Sat Oct 31, 2020 8:01 pm

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(or dumb)
Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

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Post Post #542 (ISO) » Sat Oct 31, 2020 8:02 pm

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If you don’t want to help us clear the PoE it’s obvious you’re scum siding.
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Post Post #543 (ISO) » Sat Oct 31, 2020 8:03 pm

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In post 528, Tayl0r Swift wrote:
In post 474, Nero Cain wrote:shelly
chemist
bell

are army

SS
math

are the pro-scum 3p faction
theres a pro-scum 3p faction? and we're sure its not A50's faction?
nero literally says theres a pro-scum 3p faction.
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Post Post #544 (ISO) » Sat Oct 31, 2020 8:03 pm

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We should elim Taylor today. Now lemme just catch up on the actual thread.
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Post Post #545 (ISO) » Sat Oct 31, 2020 8:05 pm

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Oh it’s guaranteed scum in Shelly/TGP though. Hmmm.
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Post Post #546 (ISO) » Sat Oct 31, 2020 8:05 pm

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like there is a very very small part of me that goes "taylor could see where I jokingly called math/SS a 3rd party group and thought I was being serious."
Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

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Post Post #547 (ISO) » Sat Oct 31, 2020 8:07 pm

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In post 546, Nero Cain wrote:like there is a very very small part of me that goes "taylor could see where I jokingly called math/SS a 3rd party group and thought I was being serious."
and why would scum!me fake seeing that as a joke? what kind of joke is that?
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Post Post #548 (ISO) » Sat Oct 31, 2020 8:07 pm

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I feel like if Taylor is scum Math calling my vote on her random is a reaction to a scumbuddy getting voted.
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Post Post #549 (ISO) » Sat Oct 31, 2020 8:08 pm

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In post 547, Tayl0r Swift wrote:
In post 546, Nero Cain wrote:like there is a very very small part of me that goes "taylor could see where I jokingly called math/SS a 3rd party group and thought I was being serious."
and why would scum!me fake seeing that as a joke? what kind of joke is that?
You just completely missed the point in what feels like a scummy way.
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