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[Infinity 324]

If your words don't show that you care about people's perception of you, as scum, your actions should. Otherwise you get scumread, generally.

[davesaz]

I have pretty much the same opinion on eliminating Dunn as I did on lilith. If we have a direct meta or gameplay reason to scumread him then an elim there is fine. He's kinda borderline tripping my not scumhunting line, but I have low expectations there from meta in regard to things that I'd call scumhunting. (sorry Dunn but I prefer to speak truth) If no direct meta or gameplay reason, then we're better off leaving self-resolving slots to self-resolve at a strictly mechanical level.

I understand the vig point that was made earlier. If a scum is in the top 3 and took vig then we do need to worry a little about that, though there are ways to deal with it.

[the worst]

vote count 1.31

DrippingGoofball (4)

: lilith2013, davesaz, Infinity 324, skitter30

Infinity 324 (3)

: Menalque, TheGoldenParadox, PenguinPower

Dunnstral (2)

: petapan, Uncrowned

davesaz (1)

: Hoopla

Hoopla (1)

: Dunnstral

petapan (1)

: JacksonVirgo

lilith2013 (1)

: DrippingGoofball

Not voting

: Something_Smart

Deadline: (expired on 2020-11-03 02:30:00)

With 14 alive it takes 8 to eliminate.

mod notes

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- prodding Dunnstral.
- skitter30 v/la Fridays & Saturdays.
- quack

[Hoopla]

We're gonna have to no-elim eventually, but I think it's better to get more information early.

we don't need to no-elim if a vig shot happens.

[Infinity 324]

Right.

Going to sleep now, will be busy most of tomorrow but can check the thread to move my vote around and such.

[Dunnstral]

I guess an unpopular opinion is that I liked DBG's catchup post with the links, but not enough to go to bat for her over this elim

[Menalque]

VOTE: dunnstral

[Menalque]

Mena you are not going to ignore me after you made me start tryharding

I’m not ignoring you ignoring you, I just was tired last night and didn’t feel like trying to parse your post

[Menalque]

it's mostly the incongruence of skitter defending a slot I think is VERY scummy whenever anyone has raised that when I would expect her to be calling the things out that I'm seeing and not defusing pressure there

Do you think this is just a feature of her playstyle or something she actively does as scum? This is the same kind of thing I brought up about her when JV was under suspicion.

Also hi!

Ehhhh I think if skitt!town which is how I’m playing it atm, she sometimes sees things in people that I don’t and gets to TRs where I can’t

Equally, I have sometimes trusted her a little bit too much > trusting my own reads, so I’m trying to find a balance

I’m not sure that she white knights VTs or defends buddies as a tule and think it’s very much situational. I think both scum and town skitt will defuse wagons on buddies or on townies depending on if she thinks it will benefit her in the long run, but I don’t have enough handle on the gamestate yet to say if I could see that happening here, and I also don’t really scumresd her

Hi back! It’s been a while! I think you’re very town, how do you feel about that?

That makes sense, I think I've said this but

(1) her and S_S *seem* to be playing from very reasonable perspectives

that I think come from town more often than not. From my brief knowledge of Skit I doubt I'd be able to read her accurately anyway until more info had come out?

I've only skimmed your posting and want to give it a more thorough read when I'm done with this assignment lol

(2) As for your read, I don't know. I feel like it's an easy read to make given the state of everyone's reads and the fact that I think for anyone who has brief game experience with me, they'll know I've pretty much townspewed this game lmao

Also ngl I feel like some of the stuff you've accused Infinity of could be said for me as well. I've asked a bunch of questions that sometimes don't seem like they're going anywhere, but like what Infinity said, it's how I also gather info and come to conclusions. I find it a bit interesting at least that you haven't called me out for the same thing, unless you think my play has just been that townie?

(1) tbf i don’t think ‘being reasonable’ is at all AI, and it’s not why I’m TRing skitt or S_S

(2) actually, i thought your play was super duper scummy when I first looked at it! But then I went back to our only completed game together, and hey presto, I *also* thought your play there was super duper scummy at the beginning and only came round to my TR on you later. So revising your posting knowing that I have a tendency to scumread you for your general style is how I got to the TR, and the fact that you’re mildly calling me out for not calling you out for certain things I *should* maybe see as scummy but don’t due to past experience makes me even more confident you’re town

[Menalque]

Ehh actually

VOTE: DGB

[Uncrowned]

Reasonable maybe isn't the best way to put it. More so it doesn't feel like they're twisting narratives or content to suit their point, which I believe is more likely to come from scum.

And I'm not calling you out more than I'm just curious about why you pointed it out for Infinity and not myself,, because it could be that I just think our questioning is more similar than it actually is? I try to be open minded to that sorta thing

Also curious why my general play is scummy but that can wait to after the game if you'd prefer not to clog the game with that discussion

[Uncrowned]

But yeah I also think I have a general aversion to being buddied (even though it hasn't happened yet) so I tend to ask for explanations on stuff like that

[Uncrowned]

So I kind of think that DGB and Dunn are interchangeable in terms of lynch since they've exhibited similar behaviours in my eyes

I do think DGB is the slightly worse lynch of the two but will change vote to that if deadline nears and we have no movement on either of them

[DrippingGoofball]

You guys know there's no case on me, I cannot defend myself against people not believing I had a deadline or that my catch up post was legit.

If you want to start the game doing the scum's work by removing one of the players they fear the most and are most likely to NK, then I am going to help you.

VOTE: DGB

Good luck, you're gonna need it.

[DrippingGoofball]

And good job petapan and Menalque, you deserve the scumwin.

[skitter30]

skitter talk to me about lilith? Is the wagon thing the only reason you think she's town?

Yeah i dont particularly townread her on play, but the way the wagon built doeant feel right

[skitter30]

UNVOTE:

This feels wrong

[Uncrowned]

This is L-2

DGB are your scumreads still similar to what you expressed in your catch up post?

Whether they are or not, do you maybe have the time to elaborate a bit more on at least one or two of them? Even if it's just a general descriptor of how you think they've been playing

If you feel it's futile and not worth your time than I understand but I think it could be helpful

[skitter30]

If you want to start the game doing the scum's work by removing one of the players they fear the most and are most likely to NK, then I am going to help you.

Why Do u think this is an accurate assessment *in this playerlist*

[Uncrowned]

Ok we're good with the unvote

[Uncrowned]

Skitter want to vote Dunn?

[skitter30]

Rn i want an answer to 1318

[skitter30]

I'm feeling kinda conflicted atm but like the ate self-vote probably doesnt come from scum?
And the gamestate feels icky? Like the fact that just about everyone is ambivalent between dunn and dgb doesnt feel quite right
Why isnt mena campaigning for infinity more?

These are all good questions ...

But at the same i feel like dgb's pov is a bit off

[Uncrowned]

I feel like there hasn't been a lot of resistance on multiple of the wagons that have occurred in game: JV, Lilith, DGB, even myself if you want to count the early one on me (2 voters were RVS I think so don't think I'd count it)

I think PP might have been a small/medium sized wagon at one point as well?

It's either passive Mafia or we really are just going after all the townies. I'd be a bit surprised if one of those 3 (5 if PP and I are included) aren't scum

Who is unsure about Dunn? I feel like only Peta has really voiced much about them, and I have a little bit but not all that much.

[Uncrowned]

I guess what I'm trying to say is I don't know if we can use game state as a tell if it's consistently happening with virtually every wagon we've had?