mystery box of silver 10. (done)

[Morning Mage]

Mastina flip is light green. I don’t see how anyone would construe that as scummy at this point.

except their wincon is explicitly not town's wincon. and the other 3p group flips as grey.

do we? i didnt think any of us had flipped yet? lol

Yeah that's definitely a TMI lol.

except you know for a fact that its not a TMI. its there in the hood. A50 said they flip as grey.

ah well you learn something new every day. i didn't consider it a TMI anyway.

[Almost50]

at least one scum in {shelly, me, taylor}
at least one scum in {shelly, me, chemist}

It's not as simple as TGP puts it. Here's what I see:

Let's inspect the info we are given here:

1- There are 3 Scum alive = Not all 4 listed players are Scum = at least one of the 4 is Town
2- There is |at least" one scum in each of the intersecting trios

Possibilities:

- If shelly is Scum both pools contain "at least one scum" regardless of the alignment of the other 3
- If TGP is scum both pools contain "at least one scum" regardless of the alignment of the other 3
- If BOTH shelly & TGP are scum both pools contain "at least one scum" regardless of the alignment of the other 2
- Only if BOTH shelly/TGP are Town are Taylor/Chemist BOTH confirmed to be scum

To me, this means one of many things:

1- shelly is scum, TGP/Taylor/chemist are Town
2- shelly/TGP are scum. Taylor/Chemist are Town
3- shelly/Taylor are Scum, TGP/chemist are Town
4- shelly/chemist are scum, TGP/Taylor are Town
5- shelly/TGP/Taylor are Scum, Chemist is Town
6- shelly/TGP/chemist are scum, Taylor is Town
7- shelly/Taylor/Chemist are Scum, TGP is Town

All 7 possibilities are valid assuming shelly is Scum. HOWEVER, assuming shelly is Town we get:

8- TGP is scum, shelly/Taylor/chemist are Town
9- TGP/Taylor are scum, shelly/chemist are Town
10- TGP/Chemist are Scum, shelly/Taylor are Town
11- TGP/Taylor/chemist are scum, shelly is Town
12- chemist/Taylor are Scum, TGP/shelly are Town

I hope I didn't miss any other combination (everyone feel free to re-investigate the possibilities)

Conclusion: Voting NOW is STUPID. 4 votes on a Townie and Scum can quick!eliminate the subject (as hard as this may be it is still possible albeit improbable)

So, PLEASE

everybody unvote

until we can figure this out, or -at least- have an idea of what we are doing. THANK YOU

[Morning Mage]

Anyway, you don't need to worry about self-terminating anymore Tayl0r, because you are the elimination today.

i think it would be sensible to give her a fair chance to self-terminate - if she is town and we elim her today, we suck. hopefully now she realises it's serious.

[Tayl0r Swift]

Mastina flip is light green. I don’t see how anyone would construe that as scummy at this point.

except their wincon is explicitly not town's wincon. and the other 3p group flips as grey.

do we? i didnt think any of us had flipped yet? lol

Yeah that's definitely a TMI lol.

except you know for a fact that its not a TMI. its there in the hood. A50 said they flip as grey.

ah well you learn something new every day. i didn't consider it a TMI anyway.

well he said that about your group. that you flip as grey.

[Tayl0r Swift]

im never killing myself today. i dont mind killing myself down the line when a town win looks more assured. until then we need the 3p not to have won so that they dont just dip out and leave town weaker.

[Morning Mage]

big permutations

Are you saying you weren't complicit in the Titus/Nero strategy for today? Don't you see that taking momentum away from it is weakening their ability to run the gambit at all?

What's the value of setting out all the permutations? How does it help our decision?

[Almost50]

Yeah, if that investigation was scum controlled that was quite dumb.

Except it wasn't, since you don't know what they are thinking.

[NorwegianboyEE]

im never killing myself today. i dont mind killing myself down the line when a town win looks more assured. until then we need the 3p not to have won so that they dont just dip out and leave town weaker.

And why wouldn't scum!you make this exact sort of argument to stay alive? Can you tell me that?

[Almost50]

Who's the 6th confirmed townie.
I feel like scum for asking this.
But I expect to be getting' some shit.

Titus,Nero,A50’s hood, Norway are all confirmed not Army.

VOTE: Shellyc

I wholeheartedly agree. Shelly imho scumslipped hard eod.

Very VERY bad vote. I've come to expect better from you, so I am bit disappointed here.

[Morning Mage]

im never killing myself today. i dont mind killing myself down the line when a town win looks more assured. until then we need the 3p not to have won so that they dont just dip out and leave town weaker.

I understand and sympathise, but we probably have to flip you then unfortunately - not my choice as i don't think you're the most likely scum, but in my view the relative downside of the Titus-hood fulfilling their wincon is outweighed by the relative upside of being able to narrow down the potential scum-pool today. Sorry.

[Almost50]

I'm on a quest to be able to Read shellyC and I did not see her scum game. This game.
._.
I guess she was salty at the set up.

@Pedit; Oh, okay Math.

So why are you voting her then?

[Morning Mage]

Who's the 6th confirmed townie.
I feel like scum for asking this.
But I expect to be getting' some shit.

Titus,Nero,A50’s hood, Norway are all confirmed not Army.

VOTE: Shellyc

I wholeheartedly agree. Shelly imho scumslipped hard eod.

Very VERY bad vote. I've come to expect better from you, so I am bit disappointed here.

I will say in defence of Mathblade, I thought this was a perfectly good vote.

[Morning Mage]

I'm on a quest to be able to Read shellyC and I did not see her scum game. This game.
._.
I guess she was salty at the set up.

@Pedit; Oh, okay Math.

So why are you voting her then?

^ a good question

[Almost50]

if it is scum controlled, which i suspect, i think they did both shelly and me to be able to score, at the very least, a free mislim on me, considering mastina is the person who would have defended me hardest and so setting up a 1v1 with shelly would (usually) get me eliminated and give them another day

but shelly is scum, and it looks like we all recognize that

Please tell me why it can't you, Math & Bell (please disregard you assumed knowledge of your own alignment)

[Morning Mage]

im never killing myself today. i dont mind killing myself down the line when a town win looks more assured. until then we need the 3p not to have won so that they dont just dip out and leave town weaker.

And why wouldn't scum!you make this exact sort of argument to stay alive? Can you tell me that?

yeah this is basically the problem. again, the day basically plays itself because of the decision your hood made during the night.

[Morning Mage]

Mastina flip is light green. I don’t see how anyone would construe that as scummy at this point.

except their wincon is explicitly not town's wincon. and the other 3p group flips as grey.

do we? i didnt think any of us had flipped yet? lol

Yeah that's definitely a TMI lol.

except you know for a fact that its not a TMI. its there in the hood. A50 said they flip as grey.

ah well you learn something new every day. i didn't consider it a TMI anyway.

well he said that about your group. that you flip as grey.

he might have made it up, who knows

[Almost50]

wait a fucking second.

other than DDL, the three people that mastina most scumread were {misty, taylor, shelly}

and look at the cop groups.

hot take - could ALL three be scum?

NGL, it is possible. However, IF you are clear you are only clear to yourself, so excuse me for not taking your word for it, at least not for the time being.

[Morning Mage]

Like you’re wagoning someone for not dying to reduce PoE when literally any Townie dying reduces PoE sure. But it also gives scum a chance to fuckin win.

This game should be on damn lock. I do not follow what the fuck the hood is doing.

it gives us 2 day-elims though effectively.

[Tayl0r Swift]

im never killing myself today. i dont mind killing myself down the line when a town win looks more assured. until then we need the 3p not to have won so that they dont just dip out and leave town weaker.

And why wouldn't scum!you make this exact sort of argument to stay alive? Can you tell me that?

id probably be skeptical of doing the third party's bidding given the stuff ive seen in the hood as both alignments, yeah.

[Almost50]

Not following.
Yes, they could all be scum tho. It says at least, which means one or more. If scum controlled I thought they might have been hiding in that stuff but then they added you and that kind of 1v1 isn't a good move when I'm prtty sure they need to be trading up not down.

What if they included 2 scums before nad then added their third today? That would make you think the other 2 are likely clear once you get a scum flip, which would be a FALSE assumption. "At least" ism't the same as "exactly", so consider all possibilities before you make a decision

[Morning Mage]

....
They're accelerating the game that from my perspective can only really be a good thing.
She can also control who she blows up on, so they're giving her the option to pick whoever she wants.
If she's scum she should just explode on one of the town or whatever.
If she's town, she's got pretty good shot of just hitting scum.

i mean math is right it's mainly a good thing if they have half-decent reads. but law of averages suggests they will eventually get it right. i have no idea where you got the bombing idea from.

[Morning Mage]

This game is practically a lock for us if we just go through the eliminations and down the PoE

And how is this not exactly what we are doing?

Because the game is on lock if it’s lynch,kill,lynch,kill

It is not on lock if random townies die all over the place giving scum a second kill.

you've misread the situation here

[Morning Mage]

Oh.
she doesn't get to kill anyone.
Yeah.
She's never going to do that you silly people.

she should do it if she's town, that's the point though.

[Morning Mage]

^honestly, i cant believe Bell is not everyone's top scumread this game lol

[Morning Mage]

NGL, inviting scum to a hood with 30 pages in it so they can have the option to kill themselves is...
Not great.

you know Taylor is scum then? if Taylor flips scum, this is a clear buddy-slip.