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[Marky Mark]

@Infinity - thanks for the clarification. I still find it weird that you have andres in the POE as he's clearly been making effort to scrutinize things and come up with original thinking. Not impossible to do as scum I guess but certainly from the limited info we have right now is not someone I would want to gamble on losing as if he is town, it will be a big loss to us.

Goodnight all, thank you as ever for some enjoyable (if spirited) discussion

PS - I've been playing the whole 'too scummy to be scum' thing over in my head with koba too. We clearly have very different playstyles so I am trying to be open-minded ref this, but even so her refusal to engage in meaningful discussion as we've seen this evening just does not seem to remotely sit in line with the town's interests. At a personal level, I find this very frustrating to deal with but will give this some mulling over so that I come at things with a level head tomorrow.

[Flavor Leaf]

Some other thoughts

-1034 by Taylor asking what vote # the JV wagon was on feels like scum trying to look town (JV was nowhere near hammer so I'm not convinced she was legitimately worried that her vote could put him dangerously close)
-1094 where FL claims to be a 2-Shot doc -> I'm presuming you aren't actually claiming here but that it's some sort of in-joke?
-That page where JV talked us through his mental state inc his relationship with death-tunnels felt town, as many others have already said.

-I feel like FL is reading way too much into the fake informed claim, but NAI

Zdenek's contribution and others' reaction to it

Around page 28, I think that Taylor is scum telling us Math is town.

This is not a remotely new argument, which makes me question DKs assertion in 1157 that his tone comes off as independent, especially when it was an argument that DK herself made earlier:

weird bc ur sudden defense of math gives me scum vibes from you instead

DGB also TRing the slot after that post doesn't fill me with confidence, but that bit is a bit more circumstantial

I didn't realize it was fake until Taylor commented on it after I was pushing it.

But yeah, I looked through Marky Mark's ISO, and not once is there another double punctuation, so that must have really excited them.

If Marky is scum, I'll need a day or so to figure out a way to legitimately know to get them, and if they're town, I'd like to give them the chance because I feel they have high equity to catch a scum this game.

That is why I'm not pushing this further. If it wasn't Day 1, I might go deeper.

I'm gonna stick with the Finity.

[Flavor Leaf]

I still find it weird that you have andres in the POE as he's clearly been making effort to scrutinize things and come up with original thinking. Not impossible to do as scum I guess but certainly from the limited info we have right now is not someone I would want to gamble on losing as if he is town, it will be a big loss to us.

want this in my ISO.

[VP Baltar]

Flavor gets town points for this fight with infinity I think.


That being said, people sure are eager to talk about a wagon other than geraintm. Run this fool up.

[Tayl0r Swift]

so where im at rn:

{me, andres, JV, mark}
{gamma, dgb, FL}
{NM, gerain, zdenek}
{VP, infinity, DKK}

i think max 2 of the bottom tier are actually scum though probably. i think infinity is my most confident scumread, but i could go DK or VP. also pretty sure mark is town. ive seen mark's scum game, this aint it.

[Tayl0r Swift]

VOTE: infinity

[Flavor Leaf]

He ain’t smooth as scum?

[Tayl0r Swift]

cant say much atm, but no.

[VP Baltar]

I find it pretty silly the number of garbage slots you have ranked above me in your list Taylor.

But, infinity is in my null pile and we absolutely need to get a claim here soon so we can move forward.

Why should I join this wagon?

[Tayl0r Swift]

I find it pretty silly the number of garbage slots you have ranked above me in your list Taylor.

But, infinity is in my null pile and we absolutely need to get a claim here soon so we can move forward.

Why should I join this wagon?

the tier above you is null. you are in the scum tier. i feel like youre being opportunistic and manipulative. but im not dead set on you being scum or anything, its day 1.

[DkKoba]

taylor thinking infinity and me can be scum together somehow

[VP Baltar]

i feel like youre being opportunistic and manipulative.

Who am I manipulating? I don't follow.

What's the bullet point case on infinity?

[Tayl0r Swift]

i feel like youre being opportunistic and manipulative.

Who am I manipulating? I don't follow.

What's the bullet point case on infinity?

well right now me for example, by dropping the bit about opportunistic. which is the more important bit. your reads dont feel genuine. it feels like you hop on whatever wagon is convenient and often place votes to derail town momentum, like when you voted gerain a bit ago.

[Tayl0r Swift]

taylor thinking infinity and me can be scum together somehow

its not a solve. i dont think you three are the scumteam. i just think you three are the scummiest people individually.

[VP Baltar]

I've been advocating for a gerain yeet for most of the day. How in the holy hell is that opportunistic?

[Andresvmb]

I just get this weird sense of newbie yet experienced in Andres, and I played with him over a year ago, so I know he's decently capable, and I know his join date is deceiving, I just think there's a chance Andres is playing a solid scum game, picking up good gamestate control, if that makes sense.

Like when I look back at the way he greeted me, in conjunction to how he's been pushing, and the fact that I naturally scum read Infinity, I think Andres being scum would have helped the gamestate get to a position where Infinity would have been a strong wagon.

I was thinking of voting Infinity, which I believe would pick up at least 1 more vote, maybe more, so I can see that Infinity could have gained momentum.

If I had wanted to pocket you, I think you would have seen me TR you. You’ll notice I haven’t done that yet.

[Flavor Leaf]

Nah, you have.

[Tayl0r Swift]

its very lazy. there is actual scumhunting to be done and youve parked on a policy lunch. as town starts moving towards real wagons, you start deflecting pressure back onto gerain.

[Tayl0r Swift]

Nah, you have.

have i pocketed you yet FL?

[Flavor Leaf]

Nah, because if I town read you, I’m gonna Vig you this time, because that’s when you’d actually be scum

[VP Baltar]

by dropping the bit about opportunistic.

I quoted you. The word was literally in the post I made. I think you're actually the one doing the selective interpretation of reality here.

[Andresvmb]

Andres is frustrating me because I hate people who say "you're reads are wrong therefore you're scum", it's an awful take and it's making it hard for me to read his recent posts objectively.

This is a misrepresentation of what I’m arguing yeah? I never criticized an individual read of yours (or a few of them) and said that because of that, I was SR’ing you. I made an argument that your overall take of the game, and defense for your positioning, make me think you’re Scum. I think there’s a difference there.

[Tayl0r Swift]

taylor thinking infinity and me can be scum together somehow

in your case you could be town, but if so i dislike your playstyle and dont like the way you approach the game. its a team game but youre playing like everyones the enemy. dont be an ass and youll find that suddenly people like you more and are more willing to cooperate.

[VP Baltar]

its very lazy. there is actual scumhunting to be done and youve parked on a policy lunch. as town starts moving towards real wagons, you start deflecting pressure back onto gerain.

Who are the real wagons? infinity? Because I was trying to gather gerain votes before this latest infinity push I'm pretty sure.

[VP Baltar]

I've made a very clear case why gerain is actually a good yeet today Taylor. Meanwhile, I just asked you for your bullet points on infinity, and I'm not seeing them.