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[Tayl0r Swift]

the case on infinity has been made repeatedly by multiple people

[Flavor Leaf]

To be fair, I’ve put forth a rather solid reasoning for InfinityScum scenario, whether it’s agreed upon is the difference, so I don’t necessarily like that as an argument, and seems potentially antagonistic towards Taylor for potential gamestate reasons

[Tayl0r Swift]

Nah, because if I town read you, I’m gonna Vig you this time, because that’s when you’d actually be scum

ok so you scumread me then?

[Infinity 324]

Andres is frustrating me because I hate people who say "you're reads are wrong therefore you're scum", it's an awful take and it's making it hard for me to read his recent posts objectively.

This is a misrepresentation of what I’m arguing yeah? I never criticized an individual read of yours (or a few of them) and said that because of that, I was SR’ing you. I made an argument that your overall take of the game, and defense for your positioning, make me think you’re Scum. I think there’s a difference there.

Misread your post sorry

[Tayl0r Swift]

its a very strange chainsaw defense coming from VPB. if either infinity or VPB ever flip scum, flip the other one too.

[Flavor Leaf]

If they’re scum together, it’s a hatchet. He’s discrediting you, but he isn’t pushing you

[Flavor Leaf]

Nah, because if I town read you, I’m gonna Vig you this time, because that’s when you’d actually be scum

ok so you scumread me then?

No, i haven’t town read you quite yet, so

[Tayl0r Swift]

If they’re scum together, it’s a hatchet. He’s discrediting you, but he isn’t pushing you

ok sure. but thats what i mean when i say VPB is being manipulative.

and gerain is a dumb wagon since the slot becomes increasingly solvable with time. if you want a policy lunch, go push NM. but im not voting for a policy lunch except maybe as a deadline compromise.

[Tayl0r Swift]

Nah, because if I town read you, I’m gonna Vig you this time, because that’s when you’d actually be scum

ok so you scumread me then?

No, i haven’t town read you quite yet, so

well at least im not gonna get vigged any time soon then

[VP Baltar]

To be fair, I’ve put forth a rather solid reasoning for InfinityScum scenario, whether it’s agreed upon is the difference, so I don’t necessarily like that as an argument, and seems potentially antagonistic towards Taylor for potential gamestate reasons

I agree you put forward a case that is actually plausible, which is why i said you came off town for it.

Im asking taylor to make the bullet points. The reason I'm doing that is because scum often fake their cases and may not be able to quickly recite their thoughts on demand. The fact Taylor is trying to bullshit me right now isn't great.

I posted I was open to hearing the case from her perspective and her first response is I'm being opportunistic and manipulative. I find that quite questionable on the ol' sincerity meter.

[Flavor Leaf]

Nicely put.

[Tayl0r Swift]

im a tonereader mostly. normally i mindmeld with infinity, and infinity generally comes of as obvtown to me. that isnt happening here. and the tone feels off. for more concrete things, see my iso.

[Andresvmb]

wait mark is uborinically trying to push nm lmao.

ok theyre actually openscumming now VOTE: mark

I’m finding this a little frustrating from you @Koba. You’re practically pushing every single person in the game. Here’s my issue with it - it might help you sort through players, but it significantly weakens your ability to have others listen to what you’re saying or take any one push seriously. And if you’re Town, we’re going to need you to be less confrontational and maybe a bit more focused. It can’t be that all of the players you have pointed to are Scum.

[Tayl0r Swift]

the reason i commented on you as well as infinity is that you complained that you were low in the list and asked about infinity. so i gave you reasoning for both. dont try to spin it as me discrediting you. thats me engaging with you.

[VP Baltar]

im a tonereader mostly. normally i mindmeld with infinity, and infinity generally comes of as obvtown to me. that isnt happening here. and the tone feels off. for more concrete things, see my iso.

I'm on my phone and not ISOing anyone atm. If you have something more substantial than tone/meta, spit it out.

I'm not asking you to make a wall. Literal bullet points will do and I'm not asking you to back it up with evidence. Just tell me

[Andresvmb]

Koba I get that this game is confusing but your pressure is a lot less effective when you threaten to get literally half the playerlist limmed.

Yeah Infinity said it here too. Since we’re fighting each other, at least you should consider that the advice is somewhat correct.

[Flavor Leaf]

VP Baltar

Marky Mark

T Swizzle
Andresvmb
Jackson

Gamma Emerald
Not Mafia
Geraintm
Zdenek
DrippingGoofBall
Dkkoba
Infinity
_______

None of my scum reads are that strong, so that bottom layer is kind of Neutral-Lean Scum territory.

[VP Baltar]

I find it pretty silly the number of garbage slots you have ranked above me in your list Taylor.

But, infinity is in my null pile and we absolutely need to get a claim here soon so we can move forward.

Why should I join this wagon?

Actually, I made a comment about your list Taylor, and then the only question I actually asked was about why you think the infinity wagon is good.

If I'm being completely generous to you, I can at least say I see how these things could be seen as happening at the same time. It's not credible to say I duped you into this conversation though.

[Flavor Leaf]

VP, Marky, and T Swizzle should all speak for themselves.

Andre is there because they hard town read me and pocketed me.

Jackson is there because the retraction to the info I can see coming from Town, and I liked their last string of posts.

[Tayl0r Swift]

VP Baltar

Marky Mark

T Swizzle
Andresvmb
Jackson

Gamma Emerald
Not Mafia
Geraintm
Zdenek
DrippingGoofBall
Dkkoba
Infinity
_______

None of my scum reads are that strong, so that bottom layer is kind of Neutral-Lean Scum territory.

leaving our options open are we?

[Infinity 324]

1463 is a townpost. I think taylor is town from the last few pages, she seems earnest and not pushing an agenda.

[Flavor Leaf]

Don’t push my read lists as options.

Day 1 i always sprinkle some extra tasty fish bait on my hook.

I also don’t really think this game needs a fade right away, so there really aren’t options, just lines of discussion.

[Flavor Leaf]

And I’m clearly not interesting in an MIA wagon, so the 3 inactive season there aren’t where I want at all, but I don’t have a read on their slots one way or another yet. That will change.

[Andresvmb]

Ok, that makes sense. You've been over your koba read and I'm assuming gerain/zdenek is from a place of inactivity but I don't remember you discussing andres in any great detail? He seems to be pretty actively scrutinizing the game imo. I had kinda assumed zedenek was off the table atm due to being replaced (seems foolish to lynch a slot unless they're stone dead scum when the replacement might help us get a better read on it) so was surprised to see them in your POE still?

Zdenek is still there not because we could lim him right now, but just to give my complete thoughts on the gamestate. I don't think anything andres has done is hard to fake as scum.

I’m going to say this because well, I feel like I have to. I can’t fight you for having this take. I can’t. It’s your perception. But it’s also a cop out. It’s like saying, well, overall they seem Town and seem to be contributing, but I think it could all be fake. Yeah, maybe. But you make assessments based on what’s more likely to be the case. I understand the paranoia behind this statement (and in fact, it’s moderating my view of your slot somewhat, together with the fact that I feel like Flavor’s 1385 is a bit aggressive), but it also makes it very difficult for us to ever get on the same page if our interactions are actually TvT. So maybe that’s something you want to think about.

[Andresvmb]

VP, Marky, and T Swizzle should all speak for themselves.

Andre is there because they hard town read me and pocketed me.

Jackson is there because the retraction to the info I can see coming from Town, and I liked their last string of posts.

I’m sorry, what? Point to where I stated I had a hard TR of your slot.