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Post Post #4550 (ISO) » Sun Nov 01, 2020 2:19 pm

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In post 4533, Tammy wrote:My thoughts on sir cakez is that yeah he looks about as textbook partner as DS did. He had a good push on Taylor, which was good. But he didn't really see what was wrong with bell day one and defended DS days one and two. Those aren't terrible points against him because others did too, and he did push Bell on day two and was very vocal about that, but he also did use peta's push on bulge to go after him, and I do hate the reads lists push. None of that is a smoking gun because that could come from town too. My main issue is yesterday and his lack of really trying to find bell's partner. He just basically has been very static on it being nahdia, which okay is fine also, but the thing that bothered me is that he didn't have any concern about DS being bussed yesterday, just nope it's nahdia, and I don't like his argument against her for not voting. I mean no concern that it's midway bear, who did have some weirdish interaction with bell and DS day one. Bell had an odd townread on DS early day one for his rvs argument after thinking he was probably scum. It just felt like he wasn't looking at the entire picture and what was available but rather what he thought he could push maybe? IDK

I thought it weird that he also wasn't concerned about peta, who also had a back and forth with bell, and started scum hunting the DS wagon day two, and part of his bulge push was made stronger because he was voting DS who peta had called town. Why wouldn't it concern him that his bell and DS interactions could also be scum indicative?

This isn't bet the game on sir cakez being scum because I guess this could come from town too. I'll laugh if it's midway bear, whose tossing out there that peta could be a godfather could be a setup for tomorrow? Could be town paranoia. Though what I was starting with is that it would be funny if it's him because it will just be another instance of me thinking scum seem *fine* and kinda forgetting about them until a few days in.

With nahdia I think I've just gotten over my concern there, which will also be funny if I was right early. But I don't necessarily think the argument with diamond is all that clearing. I just think it would be odd for their scum tactic to play dumb with not knowing how day one turned out and the dethy, and then tmi Diamond Sentinel's mindset though it's not entirely implausible.

Those were my night thoughts. Didn't have thoughts for alisae and pooky because I expected them to be dead.
I just have not seen a need to reevaluate here because Peta and Midway read pretty town to me so I don't feel a need to push them. Why should I need to widen my scum pool here?
Peta has read town to me all game and his push on DS yesterday only strengthened it.
Meanwhile like I've said Nahdia behaved like I'd expect scum to around that wagon
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Post Post #4551 (ISO) » Sun Nov 01, 2020 2:20 pm

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In post 4549, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:why would you be sure town is going to win if you think it is Nahdia?
I thought we had 3 elims left?
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Post Post #4552 (ISO) » Sun Nov 01, 2020 2:20 pm

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no we have 2
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Post Post #4553 (ISO) » Sun Nov 01, 2020 2:20 pm

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I'm assuming Peta is conftown here
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Post Post #4554 (ISO) » Sun Nov 01, 2020 2:20 pm

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7->6 - > 4 elo
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Post Post #4555 (ISO) » Sun Nov 01, 2020 2:21 pm

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4 is mylo?
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Post Post #4556 (ISO) » Sun Nov 01, 2020 2:21 pm

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hmmm ok that not promising...
I have to look into midway more
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Post Post #4557 (ISO) » Sun Nov 01, 2020 2:21 pm

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I already said I don't think scum would be bussing DS here because they needed the numbers to win and they could have pushed elsewhere
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Post Post #4558 (ISO) » Sun Nov 01, 2020 2:22 pm

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In post 4542, petapan wrote:
In post 4533, Tammy wrote:With nahdia I think I've just gotten over my concern there, which will also be funny if I was right early. But I don't necessarily think the argument with diamond is all that clearing. I just think it would be odd for their scum tactic to play dumb with not knowing how day one turned out and the dethy, and then tmi Diamond Sentinel's mindset though it's not entirely implausible.
i don't think it's the argument, it's the fact diamond came out the gate gunning for nahdia on the start of day 2. he knew jake was off the table and that was going to be his new target
I get that part. I focus a bit more on what the players are doing with regards to flipped scum because it helps me better. I've seen too many scum who think they're super clever by doing the kind of thing DS did day two and just before being lynched by "distancing" that I take it into consideration but was looking mostly at nahdia and their behavior.

Think yeah that was going to be his new target, but he he didn't have any clout to actually make that go anywhere so I don't think any push he made he thought was actually going to go through. So as far as calling it a bus goes, meh.
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Post Post #4559 (ISO) » Sun Nov 01, 2020 2:23 pm

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The strongest argument against Nahdia-DS is that argument they had but that could have been scum theatre. Not likely I'll grant but I feel it's more likely then Midway scum
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Post Post #4560 (ISO) » Sun Nov 01, 2020 2:23 pm

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at least pre-reevaluation
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Post Post #4561 (ISO) » Sun Nov 01, 2020 2:27 pm

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Like either midway hard bussed DS or DS-Nahdia was scum theatre
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Post Post #4562 (ISO) » Sun Nov 01, 2020 2:29 pm

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In post 4550, SirCakez wrote:Why should I need to widen my scum pool here?
I'm a big fan of widening the pool! I just think that as you approach end game you should always reassess your reads.
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Post Post #4563 (ISO) » Sun Nov 01, 2020 2:47 pm

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Post Post #4564 (ISO) » Sun Nov 01, 2020 3:48 pm

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In post 4559, SirCakez wrote:The strongest argument against Nahdia-DS is that argument they had but that could have been scum theatre. Not likely I'll grant but I feel it's more likely then Midway scum
I'm not really thinking about that whole interaction about reads, but I'm thinking about that one quote early game where DS said that he was wait until Nahdia showed up because he thought he was able to read Nahdia well. Feel like that is a weird thing to say to your scumbuddy 90% of the time.
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Post Post #4565 (ISO) » Sun Nov 01, 2020 3:51 pm

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soooo you're saying it's you then?
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Post Post #4566 (ISO) » Sun Nov 01, 2020 3:52 pm

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Post Post #4567 (ISO) » Sun Nov 01, 2020 3:53 pm

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In post 4564, midwaybear wrote:
In post 4559, SirCakez wrote:The strongest argument against Nahdia-DS is that argument they had but that could have been scum theatre. Not likely I'll grant but I feel it's more likely then Midway scum
I'm not really thinking about that whole interaction about reads, but I'm thinking about that one quote early game where DS said that he was wait until Nahdia showed up because he thought he was able to read Nahdia well. Feel like that is a weird thing to say to your scumbuddy 90% of the time.
oh yeah that happened
and it was the main thing nahdia was pressing him for
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Post Post #4568 (ISO) » Sun Nov 01, 2020 3:54 pm

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that feels like a weird way to sell your bus tbh
if it was a bus I'd imagine it would be better to pust DS for...you know...actually scummy things? There's plenty of those and not to mention as scum you tend to think your scumbuddies are scummier then they actually are.
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Post Post #4569 (ISO) » Sun Nov 01, 2020 3:55 pm

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Oh well I'm not really considering the whole interaction regarding that quote
I just think the original quote itself makes me want to stay away from Nahdia at least for today?
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Post Post #4570 (ISO) » Sun Nov 01, 2020 3:57 pm

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I also think you shouldn't be clearing Nahdia so easily if you're scum since you know we're wrong on cakez.
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Post Post #4571 (ISO) » Sun Nov 01, 2020 3:58 pm

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I'm not clearing Nahdia easily
Just for today and everyone goes back on the table at MYLO/LYLO situation
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Post Post #4572 (ISO) » Sun Nov 01, 2020 3:59 pm

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Out of Nahdia, peta, Cakez
I would feel the worst miselimming Cakez
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Post Post #4573 (ISO) » Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:01 pm

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idunno man, that looks like pretty good evidence to clear nahdia tho
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Post Post #4574 (ISO) » Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:02 pm

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Yeah, hopefully we just get the scum today. Just saying that if we mishanged today, Nahdia goes back on the table tmrw.
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